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    Offseason moves

    Pt discutii legate de transferuri, draft, antrenori schimbati etc.

    Cred ca deocamdata cea mai importanta discutie este "unde va ajunge Phil Jackson ?". Pina acum se zvonea ca la lakers, unde a discutat cu buss si ar fi pe cale sa se impace cu kobe. Mai sunt unii care cred ca Phil e pe cale sa isi ceara iertare de la Kobe ...

    In afara de lakers, jackson a mai discutat cu knicks si cu cavs.

    "the Cavaliers will have to outbid New York and Los Angeles -- something new owner Dan Gilbert is believed to be willing to do, according to ESPN.com's Marc Stein."

    cit despre impacarea cu kobe si jackson cerindu-si iertare ... se pare ca mai poate sa astepte ... cel putin din punctul de vedere al lui jackson ...

    "Jackson was scheduled to meet with Bryant in Los Angeles this week, according to ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. However, sources close to Bryant said that he has not heard from Jackson about a possible meeting between the two. The sources said Bryant would not be opposed to such a get-together. "
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    1. Jackson hunt down to Lakers, Knicks; Cavs out

    2. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports

    "The Knicks signaled Jackson gave them a polite turn-off and turned their attention to Saunders and P.J. Carlesimo."

    ..........
    I told him, "Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?" He said, "Coach, I don't know and I don't care."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekobe
    1. Jackson hunt down to Lakers, Knicks; Cavs out

    2. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports

    "The Knicks signaled Jackson gave them a polite turn-off and turned their attention to Saunders and P.J. Carlesimo."
    ..........
    din ce zici pari ca vrei sa lasi impresia ca phil va ajunge la lakers. o data ce competitia era intre lakers si knicks si knicks au fost refuzati. daca e sa ne uitam in articolul al 2-lea:

    " Unfortunately for the Lakers, all that really happened was that Jackson went to dinner with Jerry Buss, as he had the night before with New York Knick President Isiah Thomas.

    The Knicks signaled Jackson gave them a polite turn-off and turned their attention to Saunders and P.J. Carlesimo. The Lakers didn't signal that anything positive happened.

    This has been a long shot all along, or no shot. If Jackson is smart, and he is, he'll sit out another season to see if he has better options."


    si ceva mai jos:

    The only thing that ever changed was the Lakers' attitude, going from "no way" to "please come back and save us."

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    tu: phil jackson are de ales intre lakers, knicks si cavs
    eu: cavs out, knicks out
    tu: bine, bine, dar tot nu ajunge la lakers. mai bine sta un an pe bara.
    eu:

    btw invata sa faci diferenta intre "a report" (imi scapa acum sensul in romana) si o opinie. primul e o relatare a evenimentelor (adevarata sau nu, depinde de surse) si te lasa sa tragi singur concluziile (!), a doua este parerea respectivului aka "scriu ce-mi convine mie chiar daca e SF".

    report: "The Knicks signaled Jackson gave them a polite turn-off and turned their attention to Saunders and P.J. Carlesimo."

    opinie: "If Jackson is smart, and he is, he'll sit out another season to see if he has better options." si "The only thing that ever changed was the Lakers' attitude, going from "no way" to "please come back and save us.""
    I told him, "Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?" He said, "Coach, I don't know and I don't care."

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    pina acum, in media " the reports" (relatarile) s-au dovedit de multe ori a fi simple opinii.

    ca sa zic asa, only time will tell

    PS: daca esti asa convins ca jackson va ajunge la lakers, de ce crezi ca nu s-a intilnit inca cu kobe ? (nu e o intrebare retorica, chiar sunt curios ce parere ai despre asta)
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    sunt destul de convins ca s-au intalnit deja si daca e asa cum cred eu, au facut-o in secret
    I told him, "Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?" He said, "Coach, I don't know and I don't care."

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    "The Kings, after winning only one playoff game with an underachieving roster, have contacted Phil Jackson's agent, Todd Musburger. The Kings join the Lakers, Knicks and, more remotely, the Trail Blazers as teams interested in Jackson."

    Iar Isiah se pare ca vrea sa se intilneasca din nou cu phil jackson. deocamdata in afara de cavs care au fost se pare refuzati, restul echipelor inca par a fi in cursa pt serviciile lui jackson. mie imi pare rau ca minesotta nu e interesata. taylor, owner-ul, face dupa parerea mea o mare greseala. cu citeva miscari inspirate in vara si cu jackson si kg, ar avea echipa de titlu ....

    iar daca jackson ajunge la kings, va fi interesant unde va ajunge adelman, care nu e deloc un antrenor rau ....
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    tot mai speri ?
    I told him, "Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?" He said, "Coach, I don't know and I don't care."

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    imi place jackson si as vrea sa il vad la o echipa care sa imi placa ....
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    iar daca jackson ajunge la kings, va fi interesant unde va ajunge adelman, care nu e deloc un antrenor rau ....
    la wolves...
    "Unii oameni vor. Altii isi doresc. [B]Altii fac.[/B]" - Michael Jordan

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    hope not .....
    COY - d'antoni

    dupa mine, skiles ar fi tre sa fie COY si colangelo GM of the Year.

    rumor:
    " Look for Boston to try to deal Paul Pierce and probably let Walker and Payton go. "
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    desi asta tinde sa fie un thread caseta vs thekobe... mai bag si eu cate una scurta asa...
    sloan ii va antrena pe jazz si la anul, utah fiind de acord si cu prelungirea pana in 2007-2008 a contractului...
    "Unii oameni vor. Altii isi doresc. [B]Altii fac.[/B]" - Michael Jordan

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    eu as vrea sa il vad pe sloan si la alta echipa .... sunt curios ce ar face cu ea.
    threadu asta tinde sa fie caseta vs thekobe pt ca nu se mai baga nimeni ... nu ca i-am goni noi pe aia care se baga ...
    in plus vad ca nici thekobe nu a mai postat de ceva timp ....
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    what if ?

    am obervat ca threadu asta se cam prafuise, asa ca am zis sa va dau un exercitiu intelectual.

    se spune, din ce in ce mai tare, ca larry brown va ajunge president la cavs dupa sezonul asta. caz in care, va intreb eu, cum ar fi ca phil jackson sa ajunga antrenor la detroit ?!?!?

    deocamdata optiunile lui jackson ar fi lakers (front runners se pare), knicks, blazers si posibil kings, care se pare ca au vorbit sau au intentionat sa vorbeasca cu el. in rest nu prea mai sunt locuri libere - fie jackson deja a refuzat ofertele (cavs), fie nu i-au fost oferite respectivele job-uri (wolves - care, zic eu, au facut o mare greseala. phil jackson + kg = love + championship ). knicks si portland sunt job-uri de reconstructie, chestie pe care jackson nu a facut-o pina acum si poate nu se va baga ... are deja un nume si risca sa si-l strice.

    in rest houston i-au dat extensie lui jvg, orlando au antrenor, phila l-au luat pe mo cheeks, sonics probabil vor ramine cu mcmillan, dallas i-au dat contract lui avery johnson, bulls "l-au extins" pe skiles ... nu prea mai sunt joburi interesante.

    asa ca de ce ar astepta jackson ?
    poate dumars, care a facut o miscare neasteptata si acum 2 ani cind l-a concediat pe carlisle si l-a adus pe brown, va mai face o surpriza. ca sa fac o paranteza, mie imi place carlisle mult, si cred ca si el ar fi cistigat titlul cu detroit in conditiile din 2004. dovada - ce a facut cu indiana anul asta.

    hai sa va vad cu pareri - daca sunt sanse si ce ar face jackson la detroit. ar juca echipa mai bine sau mai prost cu el ?
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    I told him, "Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?" He said, "Coach, I don't know and I don't care."

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    "I think right now we are not capable of finding a way to win, or we are unable to, or don't know how to, or something,'' Carter said.

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    de la conferinta de presa :

    Mitch intros:

    Week ago, ABC did interview with PJ re pursuit and coaching decision and whole process. PJ referred to it as biggest pregnant pause in sports history. Still not exactly sure what that means. Here today to announce that pause is over. Please welcome back PJ...

    PJ:

    Well, something I thought would never happen, less than one year after being part of the dissolution of this organization and changing of the guard so to speak, so comfortable to be stepping back in. Even more than first time, feel have complete support of team, staff, and management.

    Not a fantasy. Will take a lot of hard work, support of people of L.A. and those in the organization.

    One reason I came back has been the support has been so back for this return. So many people have asked when I'm coming back the apst 2 months.

    It's a pleasure to be back. City has tremendous amount of support and affection for the team.

    A lot went into decision. Had to check my own status over the past month. 100% healthy. Confident I can go forward in this season and do it the way I want to do it. Vision of direction how we should go, was waiting to get an OK, physically and mentally, to take this job. Felt very comfortable seeing in mind's eye how this team can have success.

    Not going to happen overnight. We expect some patience.

    How make a winner out of this team?
    -- Two weeks ago I said roster not attractive. We have glutted roster. People have overlooked we have a lot of talent. Best core player in the league in Kobe Bryant. Two very talented players in Lamar Odom and Caron Butler. Anticipate Brian Grant can help us this year.

    Jim Hill: How improve/ restore relationship with Kobe ater the book?
    -- I think it's rebuilding the trust we had. Kobe called me this a.m. and congratulated me. I'm confident that he's confident we can go forward.

    Larry Burnett: Contract signed, sealed and delivered? Anything in your contract preventing a book?
    -- My other [job] title this year: journalist for Lakers. Negotiations went very quickly.

    -- We're going to try to shut that [innuendos] down over the next few years. I'm going to to try to lead that.

    -- No other situation offered to me was more intriguing. Tremendous story here. Story of forgiveness, of redemption.

    Lindsay Soto: Jeanie factor?
    -- Most supportive of this. Saw possibility even when I was away from the ballclub. No direct pressure. Underlying understanding. Encouraged me not to retire from something I had so much success with. Thinking I was not too young to retire.

    -- Three-year contract. Not about a championship, but having a competitive team, a team that the fans are proud to watch.

    -- Jim, Mitch and I have talked about things.

    -- Called Tex, before he went to Hungary, to be a consultant next year. Have other names he's considering.

    -- Think it is [my greatest challenge ever]. In '94, MJ was back a few games, MJ not in bball shape, team was totally rebuilt. Went 72-10 the next year. Rebuilding team turned into one of the greatest teams ever. This team is like that. We don't expect that, but who knows. We have hope.

    -- Kobe knows what it [the system] looks like, what's anticipated. We talked personnel, what people can do in the format that I coach. We won't have same presence inside. Kobe understands that, he's got a good bball mind.

    Shaq such a big part/ What like to rely on Kobe as primary weapon?
    -- We know Shaq has been a trememdous target for a team. In basic terms it's about penetration; Shaq could get within 10-12' and get the ball inside. We'll have the ability to be flexible, to full-court press, to do more transition, trap & zone -- we'll be much more mobile as a basketball team. That's in our favor at this time. Shaq isn't the kind of player you'd use in that situation.

    Tomorrow?
    -- Watching tape of potential draft picks. Calls to make to coaches.

    How much did conflict contribute to success?
    -- Always a certain - not always - always a nice tension flows between performance and how to be the best you can be. Expectations that follow success put a person in position where you do generate a little more energy to be comfortable in the job, I'm sure that added to the energy that motivated Shaq, me, and helped us to push the team to where it hadn't been before.

    Hill: Kobe like MJ next year?
    -- More than likely. More isolation, also for Odom. Offensively. This team has to learn how to play defensively. We need that cohesion needed to stop people.

    Odom?
    -- As a fan/ outsider watching, felt he was the best player delivering the ball, running the fast break, seeing the court, things like that. Would hope that Lamar could fill a Scottie Pippen-type of role. Not expecting that. Will be a growth time for him.

    -- I feel my relationship with Kobe has been reconciled, but it will always be watched next year. Team has a trust value with the community. Community puts a level of trust them in terms of their support. The community felt let down, and we need to win back their support.

    Lindsay -- need to clarify "lunch money" comments?
    -- I think they understood that. (Laughter) When you're making $14M, you know you have to contribute. Vlade didn't get much of a chance, but a player has to come to training camp in terrific shape to be ready to play.
    mai erau si alte chestii
    I told him, "Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?" He said, "Coach, I don't know and I don't care."

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    Acum se va vedea de ce e in stare Phil. Multi carcotasi au spus ca orice antrenor ce ii are in subordine pe Jordan, Pippen & Co, respectiv Kobe, Shaq poate avea rezultate excelente.
    Acum Lakers sunt in deriva, 19 pierdute din ultimele 21 partide si e doar a doua oara in 30 ani cand nu reusesc sa ajunga in playoff.
    Sa vedem intai ce jucatori mai vrea sa aduca.
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    Intr-adevar o provocare pentru el...insa cred ca va reusi si de data asta! Nu stiu daca o va duce pe Lakers in finala e greu...am incredere ca se va califica macar in playoff

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    in play-off nu va fi foarte greu sa se califice.....sa nu uitam ca RUDY T. a lasat echpa asta pe 6 in Vest. Pai daca Tomjanovic a reusit asta atunci PJ e in stare de mai mult.
    Dupa cum spunea si Phil echipa asta seamana cu Bulls(cred ca o sa-mi sara lumea in cap dar asta e sunt optimist). L-a comparat pe odom cu pippen iar kobe va juca c a jucat MJ la Bulls. desi a zis ca ar fi "amazed" daca Lakers in al 3-lea an s-ar bate la titlu cred ca e si el un pic mai optimist). Pentru DEFENSE(acolo e problema) e nevoie de B.Grant si Vlade...sa vedem ce se va intampla cu ei.

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