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    Quote Originally Posted by neaorin View Post
    mie mi-a placut planul defensiv al lui Spoelstra

    Heat au facut tot posibilul sa-l tina pe Rose departe de cos, si au reusit
    umm. inainte sa iti sara Caseta in cap MULT mai violent decat mine let me tell you what I saw: planul def al lui Spo ? a joke. de ce naiba sa te aperi la Rose care e cel mai greu de aparat de la Bulls ? cu sau fara defense agresiv on him, Rose si'a facut media lui normala de shots/game, media lui de FTs/game care e (daca nu ma insel) cam la 6-7 si % FG bunicel 10-22 din care 3-7 de la 3p. daca asta inseamna pentru tine ca l'au tinut departe de cos ... atunci cum ar fi daca nu l'ar tine departe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neaorin View Post
    mie mi-a placut planul defensiv al lui Spoelstra, numai ca Bulls au aruncat binisor din perimetru si Heatles si-au cam pierdut concentrarea (not a good sign)

    Heat au facut tot posibilul sa-l tina pe Rose departe de cos, si au reusit - de asta si bigmen-ii il alergau pana la linia de 3, nu au vrut sa-l lase deloc sa turn the corner dupa p&r.

    Big Z si Dampier nu prea au ce cauta pe teren in seria asta, sunt mult prea imobili pentru frontline-ul celor de la Bulls. Din pacate pentru Heat, fara Haslem sunt mult prea subtiri sub panou.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymz View Post
    umm. inainte sa iti sara Caseta in cap MULT mai violent decat mine let me tell you what I saw: planul def al lui Spo ? a joke. de ce naiba sa te aperi la Rose care e cel mai greu de aparat de la Bulls ? cu sau fara defense agresiv on him, Rose si'a facut media lui normala de shots/game, media lui de FTs/game care e (daca nu ma insel) cam la 6-7 si % FG bunicel 10-22 din care 3-7 de la 3p. daca asta inseamna pentru tine ca l'au tinut departe de cos ... atunci cum ar fi daca nu l'ar tine departe ?
    nu e acelasi lucru daca Rose isi face media de shots din caciula sau din perimetru. Cate patrunderi a avut Rose in primele trei sferturi? Ca adversar al celor de la Bulls, incerc sa-l tin pe Rose departe de paint, si pot sa dea Rose, Bogans si Deng de la 3 dupa pofta inimii. Daca le baga, bravo lor.

    Spoelstra a incercat sa joace small pentru ca nu are personal pentru a juca altceva contra Bulls. Nu ai cum sa faci o echipa completa intr-un singur offseason, cu atat mai mult cu cat Haslem nu joaca. Inca un MLE sau doua si problema se va pune altfel.

    Cat timp Bulls nimeresc din perimetru, nu au cum sa piarda aceasta serie. Apararea celor de la Bulls a fost excelenta (nimic surprinzator).

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    Quote Originally Posted by neaorin View Post
    nu e acelasi lucru daca Rose isi face media de shots din caciula sau din perimetru. Cate patrunderi a avut Rose in primele trei sferturi?
    pai daca rose oricum e eficient in caciula sau cu short/long J's + ca si'a scos si media de calls ... nu mai bine ii dai pace pentru ca el oricum nu prea poate fi oprit, si mai bine te concentrezi pe booz+deng+noah care nu sunt foarte eficienti in post-up si fading J's ? impinge'i pe astia cat mai departe si atunci sa le vezi performantele ... bogans = lala ... nici nu mi'as face probleme despre el, iar Noah (si Taj), din pacate pentru Heat, nu prea ai ce sa le faci in ceea ce priveste prezenta sub cosul Heat, insa ii poti opri sa fructifice 2nd chance'ul respectiv ... pa'erea mea de Sunday coach

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    Prefer sa il vad pe Rose aruncand din perimetru in loc sa intre in caciula - high%, easy assists pentru Noah si Boozer, potential pentru foul trouble, etc.
    Bulls nu sunt Mavs, pe care chiar nu-mi permit sa-i las liberi la linia de 3.

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    dwadeofficial Dwyane Wade
    I had 2 laugh at ths..I was playing my oldest son Zaire on his nerf rim & he dunked & said Gibson while screaming..L2MS Kids u gotta luv em

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    that kid knows what a quality dunk looks like

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    La meciul de ieri, cand scorul era inca strans, Spoelstra cere timeout:

    "You're not gonna' win against this team if you keep playing iso!"

    Urmare: Miami keeps playing iso. Bulls win.

    Concluzie: Spoelstra e un imbecil, el e cel care ii pune pe Wade si LeBron sa joace iso, ei ar vrea sa plimbe mingea Boston style in perioada Bill Russel-John Havlicek, dar saracii nu au decat un Picasso care face niste mazgaleli neintelese de jucatori, in loc sa aiba un adevarat Da Vinci sa le-o picteze pe Monalisa asa cum ar fi facut marele Doc Rivers daca Celtics ajungeau aici.

    NOTA: Nu il consider pe Spoelstra ca ar face parte din liga smecherilor Auerbach, Phil, etc), mi se pare un antrenor mediocru, insa ma enerveaza sa vad cum e considerat unicul, singurul, solo (manenlistic style) vinovat, fata de un Doc Rivers care pana in 2008 era considerat un nimeni in NBA.

    Haters gonna' hate...

    In alta ordine de idei, la clipul cu al doilea dunk al lui Gibson, commentul cel mai votat e de vis. "This was so nasty that if my mom came in while I was watching this, I'd switch to porn."

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    part 1

    For all the talk about Wade's and Lebron's lackluster offensive games, the Heat lost game 1 on defense. Spoelstra's strategy of overhelping and trapping mindlessly at the 3p line was brilliantly exploited by Thibodeau and the Bulls.

    Spoelstra was so concerned about Rose that he had his bigs come out aggressively at the 3p line. Thibs had his bigs slip screens and dive to the basket. This left the Bulls playing 4 against 3 on offense, and took one of the Heat bigs out of position for the defensive rebound, opening the door for the Bulls 19 offensive rebounds.


    1. First example: inside pass

    http://i.imgur.com/KfTgN.png

    Boozer mostly fakes a screen for Rose


    http://i.imgur.com/NVIvY.png

    Although Bibby has a ton of space to go over the screen, Joel comes aggressively to double Rose.


    http://i.imgur.com/zqBWq.png

    Boozer cuts hard to the basket and Rose makes the pass. Bosh comes to help on Boozer, leaving Noah with a clear path to the basket.


    http://i.imgur.com/YbWcV.png

    Boozer makes the easy pass to Noah.
    You can see how well the Bulls are spacing the floor, Deng and Brewer keeping Lebron and Wade far enough from the action so they can't help on Boozer or Noah.



    2. Second example: missed layup and offensive rebound

    http://i.imgur.com/D841P.png

    Boozer again fakes a screen and rolls to the basket. Chalmers, however, closes the gap so Rose can't make the pass. The Bulls swing the ball on the other side.


    http://i.imgur.com/SumjN.png

    Korver and Noah repeat the same routine. Noah sets a better screen, but still not good enough to stop Wade.


    http://i.imgur.com/FpQAM.png

    Despite Wade closing in on Korver, Bosh goes to double hard at the 3p line.


    http://i.imgur.com/fOgPd.png

    Korver makes the easy pass. Joel leaves his man (Boozer) to go stop Noah. Chalmers rotates to Boozer.


    http://i.imgur.com/ePwg9.png

    Noah could have passed the ball to Boozer, but he tries to score and misses.


    http://i.imgur.com/PgwFv.png

    However Boozer has the inside position on Chalmers (not that it mattered if Chalmers was there or not), so he makes the offensive rebound and scores on a tip in.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

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    part 2

    3. Third example: inside pass and dunk

    http://i.imgur.com/AYADQ.png

    Taj fakes a screen very far from Rose.


    http://i.imgur.com/idqfR.png

    Despite the fact that Chalmers has no problem going over the screen, Bosh goes to help on the 3p line. Taj rolls hard to the basket and Rose makes the pass. Magloire and Jones go close Taj.


    http://i.imgur.com/nEFuD.png

    Asik is left open under the basket. Brewer is open at the 3p line (in case one wide open Bull was not enough).


    http://i.imgur.com/SDYnp.png

    Taj makes the pass to Asik, who has an open dunk.



    4. More examples

    Those weren't isolated cases. In fact, here are a few more. This is what the Bulls did all game long, without Spoelstra ever reacting and adjusting.

    http://i.imgur.com/BOFvw.png

    http://i.imgur.com/lSVyB.png

    http://i.imgur.com/cTw3D.png

    Here you can see Boozer, Taj and Asik all doing the same thing: faking a screen and then cutting hard to the rim. You can tell from their posture that they weren't setting real screens, or even considering it. It was enough for them to fake setting a screen and their man would jump to the 3p line, leaving the with a wide open path to the basket.



    5. When the Bulls set a real screen for Rose

    http://i.imgur.com/vRQsk.png

    Taj sets a real screen for Rose. You will notice how this time him and Rose are shoulder to shoulder, not 6-10 ft apart.


    http://i.imgur.com/7Jq0i.png

    Rose takes the screen and splits the double team, rendering both his man and the helper (Jones in this case) irrelevant, leaving the Bulls to play 5 on 3.


    http://i.imgur.com/P3C5x.png

    Now Rose has a lot of options:
    - he can stop and shoot
    - he can try to penetrate
    - as Joel and Bibby move to try and cut the penetration, their men cut on the baseline to the hoop
    - Deng cuts to the 3p line, so if Lebron helps on Noah, he will be wide open for a 3
    - Taj is also open for an open jumper within his range
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

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    part 3

    6. A treat for all the Lebron haters: Lebron not boxing out Noah

    While researching this, I also got a screenshot of Lebron allowing Noah to get inside position on him. Not singling Lebron out, there were a bunch of missed boxouts, but that happens every game.

    http://i.imgur.com/65gcg.png



    HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR THE HEAT ?

    It failed in terms of rebounding

    By having your bigs help on Rose to the 3p line, you take them out of position for rebounds. The Heat gave up 19 (NINETEEN) offensive rebounds, mostly because of this.


    It failed in terms of stopping Rose, even at the 3p line

    Rose got 28 points on 10-22 FG and 5-6 FT with 6 ast and 4 turnovers. And he STILL shot 3-7 or 43% from the 3p line.


    It failed in terms of giving up 3p shots

    Not only did Rose still get 3-7 or 43% from the 3p line, but the Bulls as a team shot 10-21 or 48%.
    Of their 10 made 3p shots, 4 came after offensive rebounds, when Miami's defense was out of position:

    1st quarter:

    3:49 19-11 Joakim Noah offensive rebound
    3:46 19-14 Luol Deng makes 26-foot three point jumper (Joakim Noah assists)


    3rd quarter

    7:16 58-57 Luol Deng misses 22-foot three point jumper
    7:16 58-57 Luol Deng offensive rebound
    7:13 58-57 Keith Bogans misses three point jumper
    7:11 58-57 Carlos Boozer offensive rebound
    7:07 58-60 Derrick Rose makes 25-foot three point jumper (Carlos Boozer assists)

    1:20 63-69 Taj Gibson offensive rebound
    1:15 63-72 Luol Deng makes 25-foot three point jumper (Taj Gibson assists)


    4th quarter

    8:15 66-80 Luol Deng misses 3-foot two point shot
    8:12 66-80 C.J. Watson offensive rebound
    8:08 66-83 C.J. Watson makes 23-foot three point jumper



    SO WHAT SHOULD THE HEAT DO ?

    Well, it's obvious this "game plan" doesn't work. In fact, it should have been obvious to Spoelstra after the 1st quarter, if it was to me - and I'm just a fan. The Heat played to the Bulls strengths instead of trying to expose their weaknesses.

    The Heat should stop helping so much on the 3p line. Especially if Rose's defender has all the space he needs to get over the screen. And I wouldn't even go over the screen. Go under it. Yeah, Rose has a decent 3p shot, but I'd rather get beaten by Rose shooting 3's than by Boozer, Noah, Taj and Asik forming a layup line and padding their offensive rebounding stats.

    It's obvious you can't stop Rose. You have to give him something, or you'll leave other players wide open. Give him his 3's and long 2's and you can leave with that.

    Use the bigs to cut his penetration and keep them close to the basket so they're in position to rebound.

    Force the Bulls to shoot from distance. Their offense is NOT that great. They were 15th in 3p made during the season, 13th in 3p% and 12th in FG%. But they were 2nd in reb/game.

    On the offensive side it's a whole other discussion, one that involves playing your 3p shooters instead of carbon dated centers that had been glued to the bench for the past 2-3 months. And if you go small, you might as well get some 3p shooting out of it, otherwise it just makes no sense.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

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    SBJ: NBA proposes $45 million hard salary cap

    The NBA’s initial proposal for a new collective-bargaining deal called for a $45 million per team hard salary cap along with non-guaranteed player contracts and significant cuts in annual salary increases.

    The memo was sent to all NBA players and was dated just days prior to the league delivering to the union a new labor proposal, which a source said still included the $45 million hard cap but added a phase-in of the cap over a few years. Union president Derek Fisher publicly dismissed the latest proposal as too similar to the original proposal.

    The memo’s most eye-popping element is the league’s proposed $45 million hard cap, which cuts the current $58 million soft cap by nearly 25 percent.

    Hunter said in the memo that the NBA projects the $45 million hard cap number with a team’s total salary not to exceed the cap for any reason. The proposed hard cap as outlined by Hunter also would eliminate the current luxury tax provision, which penalizes teams with a dollar-for-dollar tax for the amount spent on player payroll exceeding the salary cap.

    The proposed hard cap is something the NBA has never had under collective bargaining, but it has become a critical element to owners. This initial proposal, and its steep cut in player cap space, demonstrates a strong commitment by the owners to dramatically curtail player payrolls while also supporting NBA Commissioner David Stern’s mantra of making the league more profitable.

    The inclusion of non-guaranteed player contracts, while a negotiating point, also represents a radical shift for players who have long benefited from guaranteed deals. Taken together, Hunter felt compelled to send out the missive.

    “The nature of the owners’ demands is so onerous that I feel it is imperative to reinforce the message of our recent team meetings with this letter,” Hunter wrote in the memo.

    The union confirmed the letter but refused to comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neaorin View Post
    sper sa se realizeze lucrul asta.
    We wont be out-tanked!!!

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    Are you for real? Crezi ca accepta lacomii astia taieri de 25%? Come on... se va ajunge exact ca si in NFL la un lockout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman View Post
    sper sa se realizeze lucrul asta.
    increase the salary cap !!!!!!
    “I weigh 330,000 pounds…I’m the NBA’s best NFL player, and I’ve always been the sexiest 7-footer in the NBA – for 12 years running.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by urlacher9 View Post
    Are you for real? Crezi ca accepta lacomii astia taieri de 25%? Come on... se va ajunge exact ca si in NFL la un lockout.
    Sunt curios daca ei sunt lacomi sau un nene denumit David.
    "I think right now we are not capable of finding a way to win, or we are unable to, or don't know how to, or something,'' Carter said.

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    E nostim cum nu s-a discutat nimic foarte in detaliu pana acum, dar cum a pierdut Heat un meci incep analize si dezbateri
    Oricum, analiza lui caseta mi se pare interesanta dar nu inteleg cum o echipa care ar trebui sa aiba o aparare buna ii face pe Boozer&Rose sa semene cu Malone&Stockton.
    Cu atat mai mult cu cat Boston aveau mai multe optiuni in atac si s-au descurcat destul de prost.
    Am vazut ca la destule din fazele prezentate, Bosh helps on the 3pt line. E oare numai din cauza lui Spoelstra sau e Bosh tembel? ^.^

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    Quote Originally Posted by urlacher9 View Post
    Are you for real? Crezi ca accepta lacomii astia taieri de 25%? Come on... se va ajunge exact ca si in NFL la un lockout.
    Banuiesc ca owners sunt, in viziunea ta, niste filantropisti


    Quote Originally Posted by fettered View Post
    E nostim cum nu s-a discutat nimic foarte in detaliu pana acum, dar cum a pierdut Heat un meci incep analize si dezbateri
    Oricum, analiza lui caseta mi se pare interesanta dar nu inteleg cum o echipa care ar trebui sa aiba o aparare buna ii face pe Boozer&Rose sa semene cu Malone&Stockton.
    Cu atat mai mult cu cat Boston aveau mai multe optiuni in atac si s-au descurcat destul de prost.
    Am vazut ca la destule din fazele prezentate, Bosh helps on the 3pt line. E oare numai din cauza lui Spoelstra sau e Bosh tembel? ^.^

    Nu e Bosh de vina, si nu era numai el. Si Joel facea acelasi lucru, pt ca asta le cere Spoelstra si sistemul lui retard.

    Si cum Spoelstra e un geniu si stie asta, nu va schimba nimic pt g2, pe care daca Wade si Lebron nu vor trage monstruos de la distanta, Heat il vor pierde intr-o maniera similara.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

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    Caseta, tu esti Truthiness mah?
    "Este mai bine sa taci si sa dai impresia ca esti prost decat sa vorbesti si sa inlaturi orice dubiu."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    Caseta, tu esti Truthiness mah?
    neah... la cat de grammatically-correct e, s'ar fi auto-intitulat truthfulness or something
    intrebarea si mai importanta e, ce cauti tu pe forumuri Heat ?

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    wow.
    sincer, nu ma asteptam ca dirk sa joace atit de bine in fata lui ibaka. credeam ca-l va hali ibaka cum l-a halit haslem in 2006.

    pina acum echipele par destul de "even", si seria promite sa fie interesanta si echilibrata.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

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