Page 127 of 137 FirstFirst ... 2777117125126127128129 ... LastLast
Results 2,647 to 2,667 of 2857

Thread: Sezon 2010/2011

  1. #2647
    rautacios caseta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    6,549
    Reputatie
    1
    kevin mchale is even more retarded than i thought:

    "i like these guys - manu, pierce - they're not afraid to sell fouls."

    adica "they're not afraid to flop" ?!?!?! de ce le-ar fi frica ? acum flopping-ul e o chestie barbateasca, pt barbati neinfricati ?
    WTF ? de fapt ce a zis el e "they're not afraid to cry for help from the refs".
    fuck that shit.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

  2. #2648
    sport legend Jaymz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,796
    Reputatie
    1
    lolz blowout cu 5 ejections what a game !

  3. #2649
    sport legend obye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    B-Town
    Posts
    1,508
    Reputatie
    1
    @caseta
    Wall will serve his suspension on Friday, April 1 when the Wizards host the Cleveland Cavaliers.
    Eu sper sa fi invatat ceva din asta...
    Dar vad ca deja e un obicei! Mai urat mi sa parut la Terry !
    Iar Barnes , va fi sanctionat grav de club !
    "The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."

  4. #2650
    sport legend obye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    B-Town
    Posts
    1,508
    Reputatie
    1
    On the other news:
    Nets are going shopping with HOVA !
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...=ap-nets-jay-z
    "The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."

  5. #2651
    sport legend melo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Arad
    Posts
    519
    Reputatie
    1
    Se pare ca Andrew Bynum si-a revenit complet din moment ce joaca 37 de minute si e mult mai sigur pe el.
    [size=1]"The Heat are out! Lebron failed! Are you happy about it? I guess you are "[/size]

  6. #2652
    sport legend obye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    B-Town
    Posts
    1,508
    Reputatie
    1
    Bad news for the rest of the western conference !

    Dar si noi aducem pe masa arme noi :
    Westbrook, who is shooting 34.8 percent from 3-point range this season, has taken only one 3-point attempt since converted 4 for 5 against Portland last Sunday.
    "I won't encourage him (Westbrook) to continue to shoot 3s," Thunder coach Scott Brooks said with a smile, "but I always tell him if he's open, and you're set, then see how it goes. I give him credit. He has improved."
    Ibaka is a beast in ultimele meciuri , Perk se acomodeaza bine si repede ! We are ready for the 1st round !
    "The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."

  7. #2653
    rautacios caseta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    6,549
    Reputatie
    1

    Truth about the Derrick Rose story - Hollinger

    What bothers me so much about this year's MVP coronation of "The Derrick Rose Story" is not so much that it's a mistake -- we've had bad award votes before and will have them again -- but that it's the same mistake, for the fifth time in 11 years.

    This is an inherent risk in the MVP selection process. When you ask people whose life's work is to seek out and tell great stories to vote on this award, we shouldn't be surprised when they turn out to vote for the best story rather than the player who is most valuable.

    Guards especially make for great stories, because they're natural underdogs. Height, obviously, is a huge factor in this game, so we're completely fascinated when smaller players can play at a high level. Generally, what they do is a lot more captivating than watching a 7-footer methodically dunk on people's heads, even if the latter is a much more effective way to win basketball games. We don't like rooting for Goliath.

    Put a guard on a "surprise" team and the impact doubles. Everyone looks for The Cause, and all roads lead back to the guard. Jab in an IV and let the confirmation bias flow through your veins, and soon even the negative plays become proof ("Look at the shot he almost made!"). This usually happens only with perimeter players, by the way. A miss on a double-clutching drive after a sweet crossover can be spectacular, in a way that a missed jump hook simply cannot.

    A brief history of Voting the Story

    As a result of all our fun with guards and their compelling stories, the three dominant big men of the past decade -- Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan -- were shafted out of three MVP awards and nearly a fourth. Ask how this happened and you'll get a lot of embarrassed shrugging, and yet we're headed down that same path again.

    So we'll end up with "The Derrick Rose Story" as this year's MVP -- just as we ended up with Allen Iverson winning in 2001, and Steve Nash in 2005 and 2006, and Jason Kidd's second-place finish in 2002 (which I include here because we only narrowly averted the greatest award travesty in league history, when one of the greatest players of all time had the best season of his career and nearly lost the award to a guy who shot 39.1 percent).

    And make no mistake, the voters are pulling the lever for the story, and not the player.

    How do we know that? Actually, we can prove it. Even if we presume that the stats somehow didn't adequately capture the value of Iverson, Kidd or Nash, we have a smoking gun that the vote was for the story and not the player.

    Believe it or not, the voters told us. Actions speak louder than words, and their ballots in other seasons are Bose speakers blaring out that they voted for the story.

    Neither Nash, Iverson nor Kidd had their best seasons the year they won (or nearly won, in Kidd's case). In fact, each had a dramatically stronger case in other seasons. What they lacked was the storyline.

    Check out the evidence:

    • Kidd is the most egregious example. In 2001-02, he almost won the award, receiving 45 first-place votes. The next season, the Nets traded two starters for a declining Dikembe Mutombo but made it back to the 2003 Finals anyway because Kidd had by far the best season of his career; compared to his first year in New Jersey, he added four points to his scoring average, shot better and took on a dramatically larger offensive role. If Kidd was the real MVP in 2001-02 (on a huge number of ballots), and the stats were somehow missing that, then surely he was even more valuable in 2002-03 and should have cruised to the trophy.

    You know how many first-place MVP votes Kidd got in 2003? Bupkus. Zilch. Zippo. Kidd had only 31 total points, for a ninth-place finish that put him right behind Detroit's Ben Wallace. If people weren't voting for the story in 2002, as opposed to the player, explain that one.

    • Nash is an equally strong example. As everyone knows, he won the MVP in 2005, sporting a player efficiency rating of 22.04 while joining with a dominant power forward to lead a 62-win team. What few people realize is that two years earlier, he had teamed up with a dominant power forward to win 60 games and tie for the best record in the West; he had a better PER that season (23.51) and played more minutes. For his efforts he received one fifth-place vote.

    The difference between those seasons, obviously, was that in 2004-05 Nash was a great story, because he had just joined a 29-win team that surprisingly rose to first in the West. The 2002-03 Mavericks were already good, so his performance there was deemed a minor event.

    • You can do this exercise with several other Nash seasons. For instance, Nash won the MVP with a PER of 23.29 in 2006, leading a 54-win team in the conference finals. In 2009-10, Nash had a PER of 21.25 and led a 54-win team to the conference finals. He finished eighth and didn't get a single first-place vote. Nash also finished a distant second behind Dirk Nowitzki the year he had his best statistical season, 2006-07, and won 61 games. Again, it sure seems like the story was the dividing factor between these seasons, and not the player.

    • Iverson outperformed his MVP season in both 2004-05 and 2005-06; he had a comparable PER in more minutes in the former and a better PER in more minutes in the latter. He didn't come close to winning in either season, finishing fifth in 2005 and getting just a single fifth-place vote in 2006.

    (Side note: If you don't like PER, you can use any other measures and get the same answers, which shouldn't be a surprise, since PER is essentially a summary of all the other statistical categories.)

    What's the explanation for this other than that the voters went for the best story instead of the best player? Did all three of these guys suddenly become crappier leaders or lose their clutch mojo in those other seasons?

    No -- they just weren't hot stories.

    The burden of proof

    The same thing is going to happen this season with "The Derrick Rose Story."

    Let me emphasize that Rose is indeed a very valuable player, and that what he and the Bulls have done this season is undeniably a great story. It does not, however, make him more valuable than every single other player in the entire league, and the evidence for this is abundantly clear to anyone who cares to look for it. Sorry, but if you want me to build the pedestal that high, I'm gonna need some more concrete for the foundation.

    This part gets Rose fans terribly upset, but it's really basic: There is a glaring lack of evidence that he is as valuable as has been claimed. It's not just a question of one selected number or another not supporting his case. It's that none of the numbers do.

    I'm not cherry-picking stats to support some covert Rose-hating agenda. I literally cannot find a single shred of data, anywhere, to support the idea that he's the most valuable player in the league.

    Rose already has an uphill climb in any logical debate -- his status as the front-runner rests uneasily beside the fact that he'd be the fourth-best player in the state of Florida. This is where people point out that "Most Valuable" and "Best" aren't necessarily the same thing, and that's correct.

    But it does shift the burden of proof. If you're going to tell me that Rose has been more valuable this season in spite of those facts, you better bring a hell of a lot more to the table than, "But watch him play!" (For the record, I've seen him in person four times this season and countless other games on the tube.)

    Digging for proof

    This always gets people screaming and yelling about those infernal statheads, as though it's some kind of horrible imposition to ask for actual hard evidence to back up an MVP vote.

    "Nobody has carried a greater burden than Rose," it's been said, and in an extremely narrow sense that's almost true -- only ???????? Bryant has used more possessions. Carrying the burden well, on the other hand, hasn't been his strong suit, as his middling true shooting percentage attests. More obviously, there are greater burdens than handling the ball for 20 seconds on every trip. Dwight Howard, for instance, carries the burden of being his team's entire defense and absorbing vicious beatings on offense, but it's tough to package that in a highlight reel.

    "Rose won without Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah," it's been said, and certainly the Bulls did just that. However, even when those players were out, the Bulls outscored opponents when Rose was off the court, suggesting they were far more than the one-man band that's been depicted. None of the Bulls' other players are big stars, and this throws people, but Chicago's depth and defensive ability have carried it this year.

    And finally, there's the idea of his indispensability -- it's the "they're nothing without him" approach. If that's the case, the Bulls should perform much worse when he's off the court than they do. Certainly, it's the case with most other stars. The Heat are 10.49 points per 100 possessions worse without ???????????? James this season; the Mavs, 16.68 points worse without Dirk Nowitzki; the Magic, 6.95 worse without Howard, and the Lakers, 6.20 worse without Bryant.

    Rose's Bulls? They lose just 1.49 points per 100 possessions. When he's off the court, they still outscore opponents by 6.78 per 100, which roughly translates to a 55-win team.

    Now, that first measure does understate Rose's impact, because he's played a lot of minutes with guys like Keith Bogans and Kurt Thomas. You can get more scientific by adjusting for the players Rose players with and against, as basketballvalue.com does, and the difference becomes a more respectable 8.60. But that isn't the biggest difference in the league, or even close to it. Howard benefits from the same math -- Orlando is 12.36 points better per 100 possessions with him on the court after said adjustment.

    Yes, these stats are notoriously noisy. But as I noted above, "The Derrick Rose Story" doesn't have compelling evidence to start with; this is another plank of non-support.

    Other arguments similarly fall flat. "Look at Rose's impact on the Bulls' winning," you say. Well, Chicago has certainly won a ton, and they've done it with a suffocating defense than ranks first in the league.

    Rose? He's arguably been the least important part of that equation. While I'd argue the stats undervalue his defensive improvement this season, it's a bit jarring to find out that the Bulls actually give up dramatically fewer points the second he exits the game.

    As for the argument that Rose was the catalyst for the defense anyway, because of his buy-in to coach Tim Thibodeau's approach … I agree that was a necessary condition for Chicago's success. But has it really come to this? Are we really giving out an MVP trophy with "actually tried on defense for a change" as a key bullet point in the résumé?

    If Rose is indispensable, however, we might also try to remove him from the Bulls entirely and see what happens. The equation everyone tries to make in their head is what I call the "bad backup" test, which holds that since Rose would be replaced by C.J. Watson while ???????????? James would be replaced by Dwyane Wade, then Rose must be more valuable.

    In this test, there's no reason to focus on just the team, however. A better version of this test will lead you directly to this year's true MVP:

    Whom else in the league could you replace this player with?

    That's really what we want to know, isn't it? If you could trade the player tomorrow and replace him with somebody just as good, it's hard to make a case that he's the single most valuable player in the league, right?

    In Rose's case, it's pretty apparent that you could replace him with Russell Westbrook and suffer virtually no drop-off. They both use an equally large chunk of their team's possessions, and use them almost exactly the same way in terms of shot-pass decisions and spots on the floor. Rose shoots more jumpers and Westbrook takes more free throws, but by and large you'd get the same results.

    Not a fan of Westbrook? Fine. You can try the same exercise with Nash, or Chris Paul, or Deron Williams, or even Wade, who despite being a 2 has a lot of similar attributes to Rose. One can argue for days whether Rose is a bit better than these players, and if so, by how much, but we're talking about small change here. And it's not just that there's one particular player you could replace Rose with and suffer only marginal decline; there are several such players.

    Now, let's try the same exercise with another player.

    Who could replace Dwight Howard?


    Anyone?



    [Taps foot]



    Got a candidate in mind yet?



    [Looks at watch]



    No, I mean from this season, not 1995. Try again.



    [Crickets chirping]



    Still waiting …



    The conclusion is obvious, isn't it?

    Dwight Howard is the most irreplaceable player in the league.

    This is the ultimate reason not to vote "The Derrick Rose Story" for MVP: Every argument put forward for him works better for somebody else, and in particular works better for Howard.

    This last one is the most damning, however. Put Westbrook, Paul or Williams in for Rose and the Bulls might slip a couple of games. Might. Put any other player in Howard's position and the Magic immediately turn to sawdust. It's not just that he's second in the league in PER and seventh in adjusted plus-minus; it's that no other center can touch him in either category, and the one who is closest (Andrew Bynum) has played half as many minutes.

    Unlike "The Derrick Rose Story," Howard's case has more than just raw emotion to support it. The Magic are third in the NBA in defensive efficiency -- ahead of Miami, Milwaukee, the Lakers and Dallas, among others -- even though nobody else in their top eight is even an average defensive player. An Orlando team that often plays Gilbert Arenas, Hedo Turkoglu and Ryan Anderson at the same time still gets elite defensive results because Howard so completely controls the paint behind them.

    Offensively, Howard's fingerprints are everywhere, too -- not just with the dunks, but with the fouls he draws that put opponents in the bonus and hand his teammates easy freebies, and the clean 3-point looks that come without his ever touching the ball. It's not always pretty, but it's hugely valuable.

    So why have the Magic not won more games than the Bulls? Because, to borrow everyone's favorite line about Rose, Howard has played the entire season without Boozer and Noah, and Luol Deng. Any of these three would be the second-best player on the Magic. Compare the benches and you'll get a similar laugh riot; the Bulls have arguably the league's best backup center, for instance, while the Magic don't even keep one on the roster.

    Unfortunately, the momentum is probably too far gone at this point. We like great stories and we don't particularly enjoy rooting for Goliath, so "The Derrick Rose Story" will win the MVP trophy when it should probably finish sixth or seventh, and Howard will end up in the same shafted company as Shaq, Garnett and Duncan before him.

    But let's not kid ourselves. In the end, this vote says a lot more about us than it does about either Rose or Howard.
    Yeap. Completely agree.
    Dwight should be the MVP.
    It's about time.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

  8. #2654
    sport legend Jaymz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,796
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by caseta View Post
    Dwight should be the MVP. It's about time.
    it's not about time at all this season. a MVP wins games. how many did D12 win this season ? and I mean, as closer ? buzzer beating shots ? take over the last minute possessions ? anything ?

    Anyone?

    [Taps foot]

    [Looks at watch]

    [Crickets chirping]

    Still waiting …


  9. #2655
    rautacios caseta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    6,549
    Reputatie
    1
    esti homer grav daca nu vezi ca chiar si cu boozer si noah out perioade de timp, rose tot a avut mai mult help decit dwight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymz View Post
    it's not about time at all this season. a MVP wins games. how many did D12 win this season ? and I mean, as closer ? buzzer beating shots ?
    iar daca MVP se dadea pe buzzer beaters, melo ar fi trebuit sa-l ia acum vreo 2-3 ani, ca a avut o gramada de buzzer beaters.
    si probabil shaq nu merita nici unul, ca nu prea arunca el pe final de meci.

    asta pt ca, nu-i asa, ultimele 2 minute conteaza mai mult decit primele 46. corect ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymz View Post
    take over the last minute possessions ?
    numaram si posesiile defesive ?
    sau dam mvp doar pt ca e bun scorer ? ca atunci ar trebui poate sa-l ia durant, nu rose.


    de ce insisti sa fii homer si shallow ?
    e oare asa greu de priceput ca defensiva e la fel de importanta ca ofensiva ?
    ideea asta cu "marcheaza mult, deci e cel mai bun" e caracteristica fanilor superficiali.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

  10. #2656
    Zen Master Kobe24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    2,759
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by caseta View Post
    Yeap. Completely agree.
    Dwight should be the MVP.
    It's about time.
    PER PER PER
    BS BS BS.

    statisticile astea sunt INCOMPLETE!!!. el le ia ca si cum ar fi un adevar absolut. e ca si cum incerci sa faci ceva dar nu ai toate ingredientele.

    1. kidd in al2-lea an a avut o concurenta mult mai puternica: duncan a avut un an mai bun decat in 2002(echipa a terminat cu cel mai bun record din liga. in 2002 era pe 3 in west). kg a avut si el un an fabulos. kobe la fel. in 2002 nu prea a fost cazul. cand sunt mai multi se impart voturile. trebuia sa fie mai sus de locul 9....dar cand sunt mai multi candidati...nu prea mai conteaza ce se intampla de la o anumita pozitie incolo.

    2.iverson in 2005 si 2006 era pe la locurile 7 8 in est. in 2001 era pe 1. era estul mult mai slab....dar in 2005 2006....rezultatul a fost mult mai slab. nu vorbim aici daca trebuia sau nu sa ia mvp-ul in 2001...ci facem o comparatie intre sezoanele lui.

    3. nash in 2006 a jucat fara amare. q-rich si JJ plecasera. eu i-as fi dat mvp-ul lui billups atunci dar asta e alta discutie. in 2010 era in echipa cu amare j-rich hill o banca foarte buna etc.

    4. de ce in 2005 si nu in 2007? in 2007 dirk castigase 67 de meciuri. cand ai un lider clar intr-o echipa din asta....de obicei il dai jucatorului respectiv. in 2005 adversarii lui erau wade si shaq...dar castigasera mai putine meciuri...si oricum isi cam imparteau voturile.

    5. nu prea conteaza cate posesii folosesti. poti sa folosesti 30 de atacuri si sa ai mingea 30 de secunde. poti sa nu folosesti 0 atacuri dar sa contribui cu altceva(ex: porkins cu blocajele lui).

    6. echipa poate sa inscrie fara jucatorul respectiv pe teren dar nu pentru 48 de minute...nu pe tot sezonul. toata lumea stie ca o echipa(antrenata ok) poate sa joace bine fara lider pe o perioada mai mica. exista un motiv pentru care meciul tine 48min.

    acuma revenim la rose vs howard:

    da tine mingea mai mult...dar asa facea si lebron la cavs si a luat 2 mvp-uri. ba chiar lebron nu facea absolut nimic cand nu avea mingea. nu contest mvp-urile lui lebron ca sa fim clari.

    bulls fara rose(PE TOT SEZONUL) ar fi cam pe 7-8 in est(mai ales ca au lipsit noah si boozer).

    nu cred ca e vina lui rose ca liga nu mai are pivoti. oricum...magic jucau foarte bine in trecut si fara howard...ca era gortat acolo.


    nu ar fi o blasfemie sa castige howard mvp-ul....dar eu consider ca rose e mvp-ul anul asta. daca magic avea 5-6 L mai putin howard era mvp-ul clar. asa nu prea....

    as zice ca mvp-ul ia in calcul progresul si nu cred e ok pentru ca exista MIP pentru asta. nu e vorba de "good story". hollinger daca vroia sa dea un exemplu...trebuia sa il ia pe ala din '97.
    nu am nimic cu faptul ca el o sa voteze howard...dar argumentele lui cu PER-ul ala...sunt.


    asa cum am mai spus ma dispera astia care fac clasamente dupa PER sau dupa stats in general. sunt genul de oameni care nu pricep baschetul si incearca sa caute raspunsuri in stats. daca ar fi complete ar fi oarecum ok. dar asa....


    din punctul meu de vedere conteaza doar MVP-ul din finala.


    Quote Originally Posted by caseta View Post
    asta pt ca, nu-i asa, ultimele 2 minute conteaza mai mult decit primele 46. corect ?
    ultimele 2 minute sunt mult mai importante decat celelalte nu fac cat 46...dar totusi conteaza
    jordan nu era jordan...daca nu era cel mai bun closer
    Phil Jackson (June 17th, 2009):"What was our model of this team? The Ring, the ring, that was the model. Its not just this band of gold, its the circle that's made a bond between all of these players, a great love for one another, its a great feeling."

  11. #2657
    sport legend Jaymz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,796
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by caseta View Post
    de ce insisti sa fii homer si shallow ?
    eu homer si shallow ? am zis ceva eu de Rose in anii trecuti ? nu ! zic anul asta cand e also most improved, nu numai MVP, si mai zic una sa nu mai zici ca sunt homer cat ii trai tu daca Magic ii scot pe Bulls in 2nd round, D12 = MVP, we cool ?

  12. #2658
    Zen Master Kobe24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    2,759
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymz View Post
    eu homer si shallow ? am zis ceva eu de Rose in anii trecuti ? nu ! zic anul asta cand e also most improved, nu numai MVP, si mai zic una sa nu mai zici ca sunt homer cat ii trai tu daca Magic ii scot pe Bulls in 2nd round, D12 = MVP, we cool ?
    se da MVP-ul pana atunci..si oricum e pt sezon regulat nu pentru playoff
    Phil Jackson (June 17th, 2009):"What was our model of this team? The Ring, the ring, that was the model. Its not just this band of gold, its the circle that's made a bond between all of these players, a great love for one another, its a great feeling."

  13. #2659
    Zen Master Kobe24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    2,759
    Reputatie
    1
    nice start lakers

    jazz au avut 5 ratari...si au recuperat ofensiv la 3. 60% nu se poate asa ceva
    Phil Jackson (June 17th, 2009):"What was our model of this team? The Ring, the ring, that was the model. Its not just this band of gold, its the circle that's made a bond between all of these players, a great love for one another, its a great feeling."

  14. #2660
    Zen Master Kobe24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    2,759
    Reputatie
    1
    ca de obicei. dupa 7-8 victorii la rand li se urca la cap. asa au facut si cu miami si asa fac de 4 ani incoace....
    Phil Jackson (June 17th, 2009):"What was our model of this team? The Ring, the ring, that was the model. Its not just this band of gold, its the circle that's made a bond between all of these players, a great love for one another, its a great feeling."

  15. #2661
    JABBAri Parker Bogeyman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Londra
    Posts
    1,982
    Reputatie
    1
    Ce bine ca nu se da MVP-ul dupa PER-ul idiot a lui Hollinger, ca ar fi castigat Kevin Love in maxim 2 ani
    We wont be out-tanked!!!

  16. #2662
    rautacios caseta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    6,549
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman View Post
    Ce bine ca nu se da MVP-ul dupa PER-ul idiot a lui Hollinger, ca ar fi castigat Kevin Love in maxim 2 ani
    ce bine ca vorbim fara sa citim.
    hollinger nu foloseste PER ca unic criteriu. daca era asa, era lebron an de an de vreo 5-6 ani.

    hollinger vede o tona de meciuri. sunt sigur ca vede mult mai multe decit majoritatea beat writers care voteaza pt mvp si care urmaresc doar o echipa - aia despre care sunt platiti sa scrie - si care poate doar ocazional mai vad alte echipe - cind sunt pe ESPN.

    hollinger calatoreste destul de mult pt a vedea in fiecare sezon fiecare echipa jucind LIVE cel putin odata, si mai vede o tona de meciuri la tv. el isi creaza o opinie vazind meciurile si foloseste stats ca suport pt opinia respectiva.

    de altfel nu cred ca-l mentioneaza pe undeva pe love in discutia pt mvp.

    bine inteles ca putem inchide ochii si pune miinile peste urechi si sa pretindem ca stats nu conteaza deloc. sa-i dam atunci un mvp lui shaq, ca toata lumea a auzit de el, pina si aia care n-au vazut in viata lor un meci nba. sau lui melo, ca s-a scris cel mai mult despre el sezonul asta.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

  17. #2663
    incepator
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    6
    Reputatie
    1
    salut.
    e primul mesaj pe care il scriu dar citesc de mult timp forumul, cu multe pauze atunci cand va certati pe gramatica.

    in primul rand imi place rose de vreo 4-5 ani, cam de cand au aparut primele clipuri cu el pe net.
    din pacate cam rezonez cu omu ala, citind tot ce a postat caseta. iar argumentul indispensabilitatii mi se pare foarte puternic.
    pe de alta parte daca zici de unu ca nu e de mvp pentru ca nu e clutch e mult mai rau decat daca iei doar eficienta drept criteriu. pentru ca pivotii au un numar infim de posesii decisive in comparatie cu fundasi si extreme. dar eficienta e eficienta pentru toti indiferent de postul pe care joaca.

  18. #2664
    sport legend MileHigh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    697
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by almast View Post
    salut.
    e primul mesaj pe care il scriu dar citesc de mult timp forumul, cu multe pauze atunci cand va certati pe gramatica.

    in primul rand imi place rose de vreo 4-5 ani, cam de cand au aparut primele clipuri cu el pe net.
    din pacate cam rezonez cu omu ala, citind tot ce a postat caseta. iar argumentul indispensabilitatii mi se pare foarte puternic.
    pe de alta parte daca zici de unu ca nu e de mvp pentru ca nu e clutch e mult mai rau decat daca iei doar eficienta drept criteriu. pentru ca pivotii au un numar infim de posesii decisive in comparatie cu fundasi si extreme. dar eficienta e eficienta pentru toti indiferent de postul pe care joaca.
    caseta deja cauta pozele cu care sa-ti raspunda, just give him a cpl of hrs
    "I take my hat off to myself for dealing with all this stuff that's going on out there, and still be able to go out there and play at the highest level. I don't really think the average person can walk in my shoes."

  19. #2665
    incepator
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    6
    Reputatie
    1
    citind tot ce a postat caseta, adica tot ce a citat din hollinger(omu' ala).

  20. #2666
    rautacios caseta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    6,549
    Reputatie
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by almast View Post
    salut.
    e primul mesaj pe care il scriu dar citesc de mult timp forumul, cu multe pauze atunci cand va certati pe gramatica.

    in primul rand imi place rose de vreo 4-5 ani, cam de cand au aparut primele clipuri cu el pe net.
    din pacate cam rezonez cu omu ala, citind tot ce a postat caseta. iar argumentul indispensabilitatii mi se pare foarte puternic.
    pe de alta parte daca zici de unu ca nu e de mvp pentru ca nu e clutch e mult mai rau decat daca iei doar eficienta drept criteriu. pentru ca pivotii au un numar infim de posesii decisive in comparatie cu fundasi si extreme. dar eficienta e eficienta pentru toti indiferent de postul pe care joaca.
    welcome aboard.

    Quote Originally Posted by MileHigh View Post
    caseta deja cauta pozele cu care sa-ti raspunda, just give him a cpl of hrs
    sa-ti traduc ce a zis el: "sunt fan rose, dar sunt de acord cu hollinger (si, indirect, cu caseta)".

    daca ar fi sa-i raspund cu o imagine, ar fi asta:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...ds_229723s.jpg

    (si asta pt ca in mod ciudat daca cauti pe google images dupa "michael jordan fist pump" obtii mai multe rezultate cu kobe decit cu MJ)
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

  21. #2667
    rautacios caseta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    6,549
    Reputatie
    1
    inca o chestie (nu mai pot da edit): sa caut poze imi ia 2-3 min. de aia am incut sa le fol in loc sa ma apuc sa scriu paragrafe intregi. after all .... a picture is worth a thousand words.
    Now this, my friend, is gonna be fun

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •