WWE SmackDown!

[Heath Scumm]

This is the place where we talk about anything concerning WWE Smackdown events!

I'm gonna start things off with a little thing concerning Sylvester Terkay, the brand new addition of the Smackdown roster ...

I've seen this guy as The Predator in NJPW ... also seen him on that "1000 Reasons not to be a pro-wrestler" documentary ... he was talking like he was some hot sh*t material and he was too good to wrestle in the US because the US doesn't appreciate his work ... that's why he said he works for Japan ... Well, look at him now! :evil:

In my oppinion, he's nothing much, hasn't the superstar look, he isn't menacing or anything, some good MMA moves but I guess that offensive arsenal he used on Smackdown can be learned by any professional wrestler throughout a month tops ... you don't need 2 bring in a MMA fighter on SmackDown just for that ...

[Darius]

Hmm... HitScum opening a Smackdown thread? The world is coming to an end? :thinkso: :D

On-topic: I've restarted the download sessions over The Friday Night Smackdown shows. For quite a long period, I was not a bit interested by the Smackdown shows. The friday night WWE division has been very empty for a few weeks at the start of the summer, but now the things are getting on their normal track again.
One more thing: I'm glad that Booker T is the World Heavyweight Champion again, but I'm "sad" about his new gimmick (King Booker gimmick). I don't like it at all and I don't like Booker T as a heel wrestler.

[Heath Scumm]

Well, he is pretty charismatic and I simply loved the colour commentary he and JBL did last week in the Main Event ...

I simply don't care if Booker is a heel or a face but as a heel he seems to be more entertaining and this role as the King seems to kinda fit him! I love the way he humble Thanks the loyal subjects and the peasants! I kinda hate Sharmell though, she's not nearly as charismatic as Booker!

[Heath Scumm]

Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

WWE recently announced that The Undertaker will be taking on The Great Khali at next Tuesday’s SmackDown! tapings in Washington, DC rather than this year’s SummerSlam pay-per view.

This decision was made due to a string of recent House Show matches between the two. It was then deemed that Khali can’t appear on anything that airs live on television for WWE. WWE also within the past few weeks has had to edit anything that involved The Great Khali.

There remains no word on his future with WWE after the SmackDown! taping next week, but one can assume that if he is not at a point yet where he can perform, he might be sent back to developmental or let go all together.

Great Khali's future uncertain in the WWE? Could we have another Mordecai episode on our hands? This would hurt both Khali and also Undertaker as he has jobbed to Khali and tried to put him over ... that's just 2 bad!

[Heath Scumm]

From The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

JBL has been told to tone things down and to not "take over the show" when he is announcing on Smackdown. He was much more subdued during the 8/18 show.

[Mike^]

Not another Undertaker vs Khali match :( This feud is taking tooooo long, i mean i already saw like 5 matches or what? Don't they have any new ideas?

Anyway, as for Smackdown, it's a good show, but i won't go further. I like players like Bobby Lashley, Undertaker, even Rey...But they need to bring new stuff in, it's like every show is the same (at least to me). I don't know, compared to TNA it seems that Smackdown...is just not that entertaining. And who the eff is Sylvester Terkay? :D

[Mike^]

Just great, because of me, the thread died :(

[deadprezuk]

Anyway, as for Smackdown, it's a good show, but i won't go further. I like players like Bobby Lashley, Undertaker, even Rey...But they need to bring new stuff in, it's like every show is the same (at least to me). I don't know, compared to TNA it seems that Smackdown...is just not that entertaining. And who the eff is Sylvester Terkay? :D

There is new stuff coming in. Idol Stevens and Kasey James have been brought up to the brand which is great as there work in OVW was brilliant. Also M.V.P. aka Antonio Banks was a solid wrestler on the indy scene for a while and has great charisma, we just ain't seen him in a WWE ring yet. Plus you've got Elijah Burke and Sylvester Terkay, two legitimate tough guys. Burke is a former amateur boxer with a record of 98-1, debuted in wrestling at OVW in 2003. Terkay is a former amateur wrestler who at one point faced Kurt Angle in the NCAA championships in 1992, which he lost. But he then won it the following year. He got signed to the WWE and trained in OVW, but then got released and went to Japan to compete for ZERO-ONE as the Predator, as well as fighting in K-1.

And as for not that entertaining compared to TNA. Please mate you have to be joking. Fact is Smackdown has had more setbacks than RAW and TNA. With the loss of Eddie Guerrero, then Batista getting injured, Hardcore Holly was on the shelf for ages, Randy Orton is now on RAW, MNM splitting and Nitro/Melina going to RAW, Mark Henry being injured, Super Crazy is out, Joey Mercury is out, JBL becoming a commentator, Ashley injured, etc. They've still managed to pull in the same consistent ratings that Smackdown had when all these people were on the show, and have made new stars out of Lashley, Paul London and Brian Kendrick, The Pitbulls. As well as elevating stars like Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Finlay, William Regal to main event status.

Even with all the young talent that TNA has, it is still the same show every week, cramming crappy six-man tags which make no sense whatsoever. A load of over the hill veterans, that (with the exception of Sting) were never that good to begin with and couldn't make it big with either of the big boys, and now hog the main event scene (WCW anyone?). And then you have a load of mid card tag teams and singles competitors that whine and complain about how they hate the WWE, or Vince McMahon, or Paul Heyman, or the new ECW, when you know full well that if they hadn't been released they would in that company right now singing its praises. TNA has a one hour timeslot and they try cram two hours in, and it just looks sloppy.

Its simple:

Smackdown!>TNA. . . (to quote Monty Brown) PERIOD!

[Heath Scumm]

Shut up dude! How can you say that? I'd rather watch Impact even over RAW!

SmackDown is, as Mike said, the same old tired sh*t week after week and the only reason they get the same ratings although the show is clearly the same is an obvious fact that WWE fans (I'm not gonna call the morons but you get where Im going with this :evil: ) are just too faithfull to WWE programming that they'll hardly give anything else a chance ...

I'm sorry that you believe that people like Scott Steiner, Jarett, The New Age Outlaws, Raven, Team 3D, Rhino and so on were never any good in the first place ... well, it's your right to diss actual talent and give credit to the crappy Smackdown new breed like those two bitches from OVW or the "legitimate bad asses" ... as far as I remember, Terkay got his ass kicked all over the place in Pride so he's not that tough after all, regardless of what score he got in that gay sport they call amateur wrestling ... and it doesn't even matter if they are legitimate bad asses or not, as far as they act it they're ok with me (that gets us back to the Tazz vs Angle discussion, right? :) ) and they aren't doing that good of a job at that either ...

Both SmackDown and RAW programming bore the sh*t out of me, the same old feuds over and over again ... while on TNA you get those "boring" (yeah right :rolleyes: ) 6 Men Tag matches that actually are used for promoting new feuds and sh*t ...

One thing I can truly say ... Smackdown programming is predictable as long as you know the feuds you know what's gonna happen ... on the other hand, TNA IMPACT is also somehow predictable but more unpredictable (if Im aloud 2 say so) than WWE programming!

[deadprezuk]

Shut up dude! How can you say that? I'd rather watch Impact even over RAW!

Easy, I thought it, I believed it, so I typed it. Oh an BTW you shut up.


SmackDown is, as Mike said, the same old tired sh*t week after week and the only reason they get the same ratings although the show is clearly the same is an obvious fact that WWE fans (I'm not gonna call the morons but you get where Im going with this :evil: ) are just too faithfull to WWE programming that they'll hardly give anything else a chance ...

If the only reason they get the ratings is because the loyal WWE fans won't watch anything else, then by the last few weeks of Impact the loyal TNA fans must be turning off completely because they've been getting lower and lower. And if TNA is supposedly the only alternative, well some TNA fans must feel that that alternative is becoming, to quote Mike, the same old tired sh*t week after week.


I'm sorry that you believe that people like Scott Steiner, Jarett, The New Age Outlaws, Raven, Team 3D, Rhino and so on were never any good in the first place ... well, it's your right to diss actual talent and give credit to the crappy Smackdown new breed like those two bitches from OVW or the "legitimate bad asses" ... as far as I remember, Terkay got his ass kicked all over the place in Pride so he's not that tough after all, regardless of what score he got in that gay sport they call amateur wrestling ... and it doesn't even matter if they are legitimate bad asses or not, as far as they act it they're ok with me (that gets us back to the Tazz vs Angle discussion, right? :) ) and they aren't doing that good of a job at that either ...

Actual talent, please you're truly believe that TNA has better talent than Smackdown. Scott Steiner at one point was a great worker and very innovative in the very early 90s, then steroids happened and it all went tits up. The only reason he became WCW Champ was because it was going down the hole. His WWE run was abismal and saw some of the sloppiest matches in the history of wrestling and quite frankly I was glad to see the back of him. The same can be said for Jeff Jarrett. Although his runs weren't sloppy or abismal they weren't good and he got the title in WCW for more or less the same reasons Steiner did. New Age Outlaws were great as a tag team, but as individual workers they sucked, and they've only gotten worse. Raven has been great for TNA but once again his best days are behind him, way behind him, once again sloppy. Team 3Ds best work was in ECW, the WWE run was good but thats because the WWE controlled them and pushed them in the correct way. They made the Dudleys household names its the truth. When they were split, they couldn't hold their own at all, it was a joke. And the only reason they're in TNA is because there is knowhere else for them to go. One thing these guys all have in common (except Raven) is that they are whiners. They talk about how they were screwed over or never given the break they deserved, when quite honestly none of them are or were deserving of that opportunity. They're workrate is terrible compared to Smackdown guys like Finlay who is older than all of them and works twice as hard, and is one of the best wrestlers in the industry according to his peers. Guys like William Regal, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, The Undertaker, Pal London and Brian Kendrick, Kid Kash and Jamie Noble, Bobby Lashley, Ken Kennedy, Matt Hardy, etc. These guys wrestle a tougher schedule than all than all of the guys you mentioned and work twice as hard during that schedule. And as far as crappy new talent, oh I can see you're such a smart wrestling fan. I mean judging a couple of guys who have been on tv 4 times in the last month and saying that they are bad must mean that they are. I mean it took Stone Cold Steve Austin 8 years to become the Legend he is but like every other worker in the business, he was once green and he probably heard crap from guys like you saying that he couldn't make it or he was just plain crap, but he proved them wrong. I'm not saying these guys are gonna be anywhere near Stone Cold whatsoever, but writning them off after a feww showings is just plain dumb.


Both SmackDown and RAW programming bore the sh*t out of me, the same old feuds over and over again ... while on TNA you get those "boring" (yeah right :rolleyes: ) 6 Men Tag matches that actually are used for promoting new feuds and sh*t ...

Same old feuds over and over again. . . hmmm. You must not watch Impact because the Sting and Jarrett feud has been going on for almost 9 months now and it has not once proved to be a successful one. Ratings have dropped, the company is still in debt and Stings contract is almost up which means he is outta here pretty soon. And as for the boring six-man tags promoting new feuds, well where are the feuds, I mean they're must be a ton of them because its a different six man every week.


One thing I can truly say ... Smackdown programming is predictable as long as you know the feuds you know what's gonna happen ... on the other hand, TNA IMPACT is also somehow predictable but more unpredictable (if Im aloud 2 say so) than WWE programming!

TNA is unpredictable and that isn't a good thing because it hasn't been anything other than detrimental to the future of it. They don't capture the "what are they gonna do next" feeling at all because each week completely different to the other with no consistency of following up anything or building anything up enough for a PPV. At least with Smackdown they build up a feud over a period of weeks leading up to a PPV for the feud to be settled or to take a new turn. TNA just says, OK Number 1 contenders match for the X Division Title, then leaves it for 3 weeks with no build up and then has the match on PPV, where's the build up, whats the reason, wheres the tension, the drama. There isn't any.

[Heath Scumm]

First of all ... that "Shut up!" thing wasn't supposed to be disrespectful ... hope you didn't take it the wrong way or anything ...

The stuff regarding TNA vs WWE talent can be discussed in the respective topic ... the same goes with the feuds!

As far as SmackDown talent goes, I may not be right in judging Aaron Stevens and his companion b*tch after seing just a couple of their OVW performances but in this case you're just as not right as me when saying they have great potential ... Why? Just because they're young and have time to grow? That doesn't mean anything! They haven't impressed me in any way so far, not even promo-wise so I doubt they'll grow anymore in the future! Getting a couple of noobs like those wins against hard working wrestlers like London or Kendrick is very wrong and disturbing for me!

As far as this goes :

And as far as crappy new talent, oh I can see you're such a smart wrestling fan.

I got the irony ... I'm gonna let this thing slide and not aproach it anymore regardless of what you may think I know or do not know about the industry! I'm not here to show off, I'm just speaking my mind!

[Mike^]

Gah i honestly don't understand the whole point of this argues. I mean, of course, he is a WWE fan, be sure he'll defend his point of view with every resource he has. Same with you HitScum, you'll defend the fact that TNA is the greatest wrestling federation in the world. But the talk is starting to sound fictional. First of all, the success of a federation is calculated in profits, easy. Ticket sales, DVD sales and other promotional materials. Here, although i love TNA, i must say that TNA is behind WWE because WWE has way more spectators for one than TNA and i doubt that they sell more than WWE (but they are on the good track to surpassing WWE).

Second of all you guys are talking about player talents. Be sure that 80% of the players in this industry are talented, else they wouldn't be in the two greatest federations. How much they work? Depend on how hard the upcoming matches are, which will be the result of those matches, etc. And as you said deadprezuk, it took Stone Cold Steve 8 years to become a legend. Than why do you think that the feud between Jarrett and Sting takes so long? Because at the end, one of them will become a legend (most likely at Bound for Glory on 22nd of October). If Sting loses, his whole career is ruined, if Jarrett loses, TNA will finally get rid of him.

Now first off, depends which PART of TNA you compare with WWE. IF you compare the Heavyweight side of TNA, yes, it is probably under WWE because it has less experience...But if you compare the X-Division with ANY part of WWE, you'll see that TNA is WAY over WWE. You'll never see in WWE the stuff that the guys in the X-Division do. Look at all the stats, X-Division matches are the most spectacular in all of professional wrestling.

Boring six-tag team matches? Where? Show me? I mean, maybe i'm blind but i saw like two this month? One with 4 teams and one in the X-Division?

"They don't capture the "what are they gonna do next" feeling at all because each week completely different to the other with no consistency of following up anything or building anything up enough for a PPV." You couldn't be more wrong here. Watch TNA Impact closely. Look at each feud and you'll see that they go over from week to week and end up in a PPV. Look at Brother Runt vs Abyss, look at Sting vs Jarrett, Cage vs Steiner, LAX vs AJ & Daniels. Maybe their ratings are going down, but who cares? At least the X-Division matches are outstanding and WWE can only hope to reach their level.

[deadprezuk]

First of all ... that "Shut up!" thing wasn't supposed to be disrespectful ... hope you didn't take it the wrong way or anything ...

No just like I hope you didn't tkae my "shut up" the wrong way


As far as SmackDown talent goes, I may not be right in judging Aaron Stevens and his companion b*tch after seing just a couple of their OVW performances but in this case you're just as not right as me when saying they have great potential ... Why? Just because they're young and have time to grow? That doesn't mean anything! They haven't impressed me in any way so far, not even promo-wise so I doubt they'll grow anymore in the future! Getting a couple of noobs like those wins against hard working wrestlers like London or Kendrick is very wrong and disturbing for me!

See this is what I mean, you don't even know any of there work and are so one-track minded that you fail to see the point I am trying to make. Mike said there was nothing new on Smackdown, I listed that there was, and you come out just being childish by going on the offensive calling guys you have never seen work a full program and obviously know nothing about "bitches". Fact is like I said before is that everyone in the entire industry was green at one point its just a fact. And by saying that you aren't impressed by them right now is a fair point. But knowone in the industry when they're first starting out makes a huge impact straight away and to write them off when they're at the beginning of their run is just absurd.


I got the irony ... I'm gonna let this thing slide and not aproach it anymore regardless of what you may think I know or do not know about the industry! I'm not here to show off, I'm just speaking my mind!

I'm speaking my mind too, its just that because my opinions are different to yours you feel the need to get all mad about it because someone can actually discuss a subject with a degree of intellect from a different point of view, which you don't seem to like unless I agree with you.

[Big Sexy]

REMINDER - we are all friends here so act accordingly Mr. Hitscum and Mr. Deadprezuk!

[deadprezuk]

Gah i honestly don't understand the whole point of this argues. I mean, of course, he is a WWE fan, be sure he'll defend his point of view with every resource he has. Same with you HitScum, you'll defend the fact that TNA is the greatest wrestling federation in the world. But the talk is starting to sound fictional. First of all, the success of a federation is calculated in profits, easy. Ticket sales, DVD sales and other promotional materials. Here, although i love TNA, i must say that TNA is behind WWE because WWE has way more spectators for one than TNA and i doubt that they sell more than WWE (but they are on the good track to surpassing WWE).

TNA aren't even on the track to surpassing WWE, and they never will be. I love the fact that TNA fans believe that TNA is actually something to worry about when quite frankly the WWE could give two sh*ts about them. As for ticket sales they aren't even on the same radar as ROH let alone the WWE. They produce there show to a few hundred people who by the way get in for free at a friggin theme park, whereas the WWE can go on the road to any arena or stadium and draw a huge crowd, hell even ROH draws crowds in more places than TNA. As for merchandise, again TNA aren't even a blemish on the WWEs sales. John Cena merchandise alone has sold more than all TNA merchamdise put together, FACT! And DVD sales are so good that they're featured on national charts alongside some of the most popular TV shows and films today. Also TNA have yet to turn a good profit margin because they've swindling all there cash on guys like Sting, Nash, Cage, etc, and it hasn't increased ratings, PPV buyrates, merchandise, nothing. How is that on the right track exactly.


Second of all you guys are talking about player talents. Be sure that 80% of the players in this industry are talented, else they wouldn't be in the two greatest federations. How much they work? Depend on how hard the upcoming matches are, which will be the result of those matches, etc. And as you said deadprezuk, it took Stone Cold Steve 8 years to become a legend. Than why do you think that the feud between Jarrett and Sting takes so long? Because at the end, one of them will become a legend (most likely at Bound for Glory on 22nd of October). If Sting loses, his whole career is ruined, if Jarrett loses, TNA will finally get rid of him.

I'm sorry to burst you're bubble but TNA is not even in the WWEs league so I don't see how it is one of the greatest federations. Hell, the big three in Japan are bigger than TNA. Saying that TNA is in the same ballpark as WWE is either a severe case of blind faith, stupidity or being an absolute mark. And theres nothing wrong with being a mark for something you love but if you were to look at it from a business perspective you would see that TNA is not even a force to be reckoned with. As for Sting/Jarrett culminating in one of them being a legend. . . Sting already is a legend, he has nothing to prove and he's gonna be outta there pretty soon anyway. And Jarrett is only where he is in the company because his daddy got it for him. And legend in who's eyes exactly. Sting's best work is behind him and Jarrett has yet to have accomplished anything that constitutes him even being considered a legend. Ric Flair, Harley Race, Stone Cold, Eddie Guerrero, Undertaker, Mick Foley, Triple H, The Rock, those are legends, Jarrett is not and will never be a legend.



Now first off, depends which PART of TNA you compare with WWE. IF you compare the Heavyweight side of TNA, yes, it is probably under WWE because it has less experience...But if you compare the X-Division with ANY part of WWE, you'll see that TNA is WAY over WWE. You'll never see in WWE the stuff that the guys in the X-Division do. Look at all the stats, X-Division matches are the most spectacular in all of professional wrestling.

If the X-Division is so damn good then why is it not the focal point of TNA. Why do the heavyweight division get more exposure? If the X Division is way over anything in the WWE why hasn't TNA become bigger, better, stronger as a company? I mean if it is way over the WWE then it should be surpassing WWE in all aspects right. But it isn't so you've really got to ask yourself, why is it still the way it is. . . simple because it isn't way over the WWE.
And the reason you don't see any of the X Division stuff in the WWE is because that is not wrestling, its a no selling spotfest which basically sh*ts on everything wrestling is built on. Wheres the in-ring story, where's the kayfabe? It's non-existent. You want to talk about stats, fine. TNA has had one 5-star match in its entire history, and yes it was an X Division match but the guys in the match aren't even in th X Division anymore and in all honesty were really ROH guys putting on an ROH match in a TNA environment. The X Division is not the most highly rated in all of professional wrestling. Firstly, you forget that the majority of 5-Star matches happen in Japan, in fact there are well over 40 of them. In the USA the the WWE has had 4, and ROH has had 3. There facts are facts and I suggest a little research into those claims of yours rather than assuming such a thing just because you are a fan.



"They don't capture the "what are they gonna do next" feeling at all because each week completely different to the other with no consistency of following up anything or building anything up enough for a PPV." You couldn't be more wrong here. Watch TNA Impact closely. Look at each feud and you'll see that they go over from week to week and end up in a PPV. Look at Brother Runt vs Abyss, look at Sting vs Jarrett, Cage vs Steiner, LAX vs AJ & Daniels. Maybe their ratings are going down, but who cares? At least the X-Division matches are outstanding and WWE can only hope to reach their level.

The build up is terrible, the buyrates for the PPV alone are abismal which only proves that the PPV hasn't been built up enough, which in turn means that the feuds which are supposed to culminate at the PPV are not built up well. And who cares about the ratings. . . erm, the company, Spike TV, you the network that puts this stuff on. If ratings go down and keep going down, they'll be chucked off plain and simple, and if they want a second hour, which they've been pushing for from the start then they need to get ratings in the vicinity of Smackdown on a consistent basis. The ratings they have been achieving are less than half of what Smackdown and ECW ratings are, and less than a quarter (and thats being nice) of what Raw pulls in. They have no consistency, and when ratings fall TV shows get pulled, and without a TV show TNA is back to where it was when they first started out. And as for WWE can only hope to reach their level. Yeah right, WWE is the biggest fish in the pond of wrestling. WWE has controlled the wrestling industry for over 20 years. It is a global brand which is known everywhere you go whether you are a wrestling fan or not. If anyone needs to reach someones level, its TNA needing to reach the WWE.

[deadprezuk]

REMINDER - we are all friends here so act accordingly Mr. Hitscum and Mr. Deadprezuk!

Its all good Big Sexy, I'm just trying to have some good old fashion discussion and debate, if peope don't agree with my view thats fine but I'm standing by it and will argue my case. Its nothing personal, I like Hitscum he likes to argue, how could you not love that.:)

[Heath Scumm]

First of all, I'd like to state that the tough language I sometimes use (although I pretty much censor myself not to go against onlinesport forums regulations) doesn't mean I'm getting mad or anything ... that's just the way I express myself, no harm intended!

I truly appreciate all of deadprezuk's efforts of posting stuff as he does, you'll rarely see stupid posts coming from him so for that I must say Thank You!

For the record, I have nothing against WWE (I enjoy their programming although, at times, I find they can truly work on some of their stuff because it just ain't my sh*t) or any WWE fan (even John Cena 12-13 year old marks) ... The purpose of those arguments is very clear to me, I am always willing to hear other oppinions and facts any smart fan could provide because although I am pretty informed you can never know enough sh*t about the things you really really like ...

Going on topic, I would like to ask you to leave the TNA vs RAW vs SmackDown vs ECW talk for the respective topic ... let's try to keep this about SmackDown talent ...

This being said, I'd like to talk about Aaron Stevens, a guy who Deadprezuk seems to see potential in while I find him obnoxious and a mediocre overall wrestler with not that much potential ...

I would like to tell you DP, that I've seen enough of Aaron Stevens work in OVW to know he's not on my liking and regardless of how much he evolves he'll never be on my liking ... just as it happens to Carlito ... it's my point of view, it may be a subjective thing ... for instance, it doesn't matter how much athletic ability Carlito gets or how much mike skills he shows off, he'll never be on my liking ... The same thing goes for Stevens in my oppinion ... And Kasey James seems to be even worse ... Although I must admit Stevens was one of the best things going in OVW, that doesn't mean he's got potential because overall OVW is crap ...

[Darius]

Not another Undertaker vs Khali match :( This feud is taking tooooo long, i mean i already saw like 5 matches or what? Don't they have any new ideas?

The difference between the old feuds from WWF and the feuds that are taking place now on WWE is that the WWF feuds were really solid feuds and well sustained. Today, the majority of the feuds are "small" ones and I don't like this at all. As a result, I rarely find a feud that I like and watch with content. I know that not all of you agree with my point of view, but still: much of the feuds that are taking place now on Smackdown and RAW are... too short and not well sustained from behind by the bookers.
I really miss an Hogan vs. Flair feud (from WCW) or an Hogan vs. Vader feud (still WCW).
The Undertaker vs. Khali feud from Smackdown is a rare thing on these days, just as the DX vs. the McMahons feud. This doesn't mean necesarrily that this is the only reason why I like those "fights".

I excessively used the "FEUD" word. Sorry about that. :D

[Heath Scumm]

John Bradshaw Layfield noted in a recent commentary on TheStreet.com that he was retiring from in-ring competition for good. In his final column on the website, JBL wrote, "I have also come to believe that you can't fight father time. A broken back suffered in a match in England, compounded by a herniated and bulged disc, finally made me realize my career as a professional wrestler was over. I since migrated to the color commentary position much in the way that Jesse Ventura did before me."

JBL was injured shortly after WrestleMania, during the overseas trip of Europe in late April. Despite his injury, JBL continued to wrestle and he had successfully politicked himself to beat Rey Mysterio for the World title at the Judgment Day PPV. The plan was for him to be the first person to be the World Champ and the U.S. champ at the same time. However, on the week of the PPV, he sensed that that he couldn't wrestle any longer. He told management that he needed to take the summer off due to the pain and injury. He lost the PPV match, then two days later at Smackdown taping, he lost the U.S. title in quick match to Bobby Lashley. During the same show, he vowed to leave SmackDown if he didn't beat Rey Mysterio for the title later that night. He lost the match and then he went on to his announcing role in June.

Credit Source - Wrestling Observer Newsletter

[Heath Scumm]

Credit Source - PWInsider

WWE posted the following today on their website: "WWE has come to terms on the release of Boogeyman (Marty Wright) as of today 9/20/06. We wish Marty the best in all future endeavors."

Wright had been out rehabbing leg injuries and was close to being ready to return to action when he was released. Management hadn't been happy with his commitment to return to action with the feeling being that he was doing the bare minimum to get back in shape. There were also issues with him not checking in with the doctors when he was supposed to. He was warned a few times and when he didn't change his behavior, he was let go.

Wright, originally an actor, came onto the WWE scene in October of 2004 when he was kicked out of the tryouts for Tough Enough IV for lying about his age. However, he was given a slot in OVW two months later, where the "Boogeyman" character was developed in the summer of 2005. He was put on the Smackdown brand live events, but suffered a knee injury and went back to OVW. It was during this time that he had his front teeth knocked out, which would become part of his look. He finally made his Smackdown TV debut in October of 2005 and feuded with JBL and Booker T. Shortly after Wrestlemania 22, where he defeated Booker T & Sharmell in a handicap match, Boogeyman was back on the injured list. A vignette was shown on Smackdown last month hyping his return, which obviously won't be taking place now.


Well, they jobbed Booker T. and JBL to this guy, hope they're happy now! :(

[Big Sexy]

god, the nightmare is finally over!!
I was so sick and tired of this annoying character. How would you make a boogey man a face? I mean how the hell would you even consider this. And the mess they made with Booker T is not paying off as they hoped to!

[Darius]

A step forward for WWE!:pretty happy:
I wonder who had the "briliant" idea to create the Boogeyman character.:rolleyes: Well, it doesn't matter anymore.:D

[Heath Scumm]

Well, actually this was entirely Vince's idea ... everybody knows he's into recycling storylines and characters and he just wanted to do a creepier version of Papa Shango!

Him getting fired had really less to do with the character but rather the man that played the character being 2 old and warn out to keep it up with the unbelievebly demanding WWE schedule!

[Darius]

I forgot about Papa Shango. I just feel "sorry" for Booker T being in a feud with The Boogeyman. He did not deserve that.:nah:

[Heath Scumm]

What about JBL? Did he deserve being jobbed to the BoogeyMan?

[Darius]

Nope. I didn't say this. Actually it was more like a fan view over the issue.:P I like JBL more for his mike skills in the ring, not for the way he fights.

[Kruger]

god, the nightmare is finally over!!
I was so sick and tired of this annoying character. How would you make a boogey man a face? I mean how the hell would you even consider this. And the mess they made with Booker T is not paying off as they hoped to!

I didn't like The Boogey Man either, but we can all remember that Vince managed to turn something boogey into a face when he created The Undertaker, and it was a big success... My point is that McMahon is able to consider everything :) Tough the boogey freak was a huge failure...

In the case of JBL... He didn't play the part of the jobber, or he was not jobbed in the angle with the Boogey Man, the way I see things is that JBL was more of a pusher. And maybe you are all going to ask: what's the diff!? Well, JBL is not payed to loose, he's a big name in the industry and I think he was the perfect character for that storyline, let's not see the things from the point where if he deserved it or not...

[Heath Scumm]

Well, if you look at it that way, every single jobber in the industry is put in a match to put the winner over. That doesn't make them "less jobbers" or anything. The fact of the matter is that there was no difference between what the WWE put both Booker and JBL through during their angles with the Boogeyman ... well, it's only a matter of time untill we see him in TNA :evil: ... I kinda enjoyed his overall gimmick though, I only truly hated the fact that he was turning face which was not appropriate for his gimmick in my oppinion!

[Kruger]

Well... we could expect to see The Boogey Man in TNA, but I'm 100% sure that while he was in WWE he didn't had any image rights stipulated on his contract... so if he signs with TNA then I guess we're not gonna see the Boogey anymore :)

As for Booker and JBL, let's not feel sory for them... they recieve good payments for all the beatings they get :evil:

[Kruger]

Wellllllllllll, wellllllllllll, welllllllllllll--------- I just can't believe this, but it looks like we all had wrong oppinions about the future of The Boogey Man... He just resigned a new contract with WWE. Isn't he a "biatch", or what!? Check out www.wwe.com for details

[Heath Scumm]

Well, he isn't the "biatch" around here, the WWE people that fired him and now want him back are ... they invested a whole lot of TV Time and Money in this character's development not to mention ruinning other good wrestlers' credibility ...

Well, hopefully, they won't totally destroy the character as it was original and maybe give him another run soon since he ain't getting any younger!

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Next week's Smackdown Results

Smackdown! Spoilers

first match
king boker VS matt hardy

the winner is king boker

second match
kane VS batista

the winner is batista


third match
mr kendy VS c m bunk

the winner is mr kendy

last match
the undertaker VS finly

the winner is the undertaker

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