TNA - The New Face of Pro Wrestling

[donnie_middel1]

First off I would like to thank whoever created this sub forum, I was a bit lost in Romania lol.

But yah where do you think tna will be in 8 years? I think they will be a major player on the wrestlng scene and I think we could have another monday night war.

[cutuma]

Hopefully not where WCW was in 8 years from 1997 (when they where at their prime)

I hope to see them in a bigger Arena, with more attention to them, no oldies like Jarrett around and Lesnar or Goldberg World Champ :D

[Big Sexy]

everyone is comparing TNA with WCW but i do not see any resemblance, really now, please stop using this resemblance!

ontopic ... i doubt TNA will still exist in 8 yrs as we know it. I barely imagine what will happend with the wrestling scene in the next 2-3 yrs. I cannot make any prediction about it except that i hope i will see even then some good quality, NWA style, wrestling.

[cutuma]

The resemblance is that both of them are the only stiff competition the WWF/E ever had.

[thunder_liger]

tha is more colorfull than wcw . i don't know if that's good or bad,but hey this is wrestling..good and bad are all the same :)

[donnie_middel1]

I loved wcw so I can only hope that this is a continuation, But now I love TNA

[Heath Scumm]

TNA is, as WCW was at a certain time a form of NWA evolution ... although WCW was trying to rival WWF at the time with exactly the same kind of product, TNA started as a more "sports orientated" show and delivering sports first, entertainment second ... WCW never had that but as far as the high-flying action WCW had (which they let's not say "stole" but took without any moral issues from ECW), the 2 products are very similar in terms of the X-Division/Cruiserweight Division ...

As I've stated before in the Romanian Thread, I consider TNA' S X-Division some sort of a ROH Best Of which is ok in my oppinion ... Am I the only one who thinks Homicide should be more involved in the X-Division???

[donnie_middel1]

No, I think Homicide fits in well with Konnan and LAX but the fued they are in is horrible, and yes Homicide should be in some single matches as well, if you have ever seen JAPW you know he can work.

[Heath Scumm]

He could do a good work destrying the smaller guys in the X-Division with the Cop Killah ... or maybe he could do some good Hardcore with Samoa Joe or Sabu ... this should be awesome!

[cutuma]

WCW had Ted Turners money to hype up. TNA really needs that.

I believe the backbone of TNA is the X-Division. It's the main focus, the reason people watch the show. Then there is the Hardcore Division, which includes : Abyss, Rhyno, Sabu and Jeff Hardy. Sabu has signed with the WWE, Hardy is out of shape so that's almost gone.

The big problem of TNA is the lack of talent in the heavyweight division. Jarrett, Christian and Monty Brown are mid-carders, always have been, always will be.Steiner is a wreck. Sting is the only one that draws focus. They need heavyweight material and need it bad. If I were TNA management, i would do anything possible to bring in Brock Lesnar. It would be a real balance-shifter.

[donnie_middel1]

Dude did you just call christian a mid-carder? You watch wwe way to much, Christian is a good worker, and I dont care what anyone says, Jeff Jarret is another very good athlete, I would much rather watch Jeff Jarret Or Monty Brown then cena or hunter, Monty Brown is another example of a hard worker.

[Big Sexy]

On this one i'll stick with decret, in my opinion Christian is worst than cena as TNA Champ. And hate Cena's guts.
The promo's Christian make are so boring i usualy fell asleep. When i translate for the romanian public what Monty has to say i can barely restrain myself not to laugh, becouse he is pathethic. In the ring Christian is obviously a team player since he has some agility but no stamina. On the other hand Alpha Male should stick to fighting, i admire his stile alot. I like brawling and a hint of technical touch, he is brutal.
Even if i am so tired to see AGAIN Jeff Jarret TNA champion he still seems the only one able to pull this off till the end. Maybe A.J. or Ron are as good as he is but J.J. understands better the public. Is not an easy thing playing heel for so long.

[cutuma]

Man, i watch as much WWE as i watch TNA. Christian might be a hard worker, he might be a good all-arounder, but he is not heavyweight material. Abyss could be a much better champion. Rhyno should have had a bigger run. There are a lot of people that deserve to have that title.

Cena as lousy as he is he keeps selling PPVs. Why? Because we all want to see his ass kicked. I always say "if he wins this one, i'll quit watching Raw". But i watched the Rumble, i watched Mania, i watched Backlash. I hope he loses it to RVD at ONS II but somehow i doubt it.

About JJ, well, let's just put it like this, if this wasn't his daddy's company, he would be exactly where he was in the WCW and in the WWF : MID-CARD!

Monty, maybe i was to harsh on him. But i still think he cannot be that difference maker for TNA. I said it once, i said it a thousand times, TNA needs Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg. Period.

[Dragon-sin]

Former IWGP Heavyweight Champ Antonio Inoki proposed a Japan vs. USA show this year to NJPW president Simon Inoki. It will most likely be TNA vs. NJPW.Can you belive that? That show would be the biggest event of the year!

My Dream Card would be :

IWGP Champ vs. TNA Champ : Brock Lesnar vs. Christian

Masahiro Chono vs. Sting ( what a match that would be!)

IWGP Junior Champ vs. X Division Champ : Kanemoto vs. Samoa Joe

Jeff Jarrett and AMW vs. Nakamura/Nakanishi and Tenzan

Nagata vs. Chris Daniels

CTU of : Juhin Liger , Jado , Gedo and Goto vs. Strong, Aries,Shelly and Sabin

Tanahasi vs. Senshi

But that will never happen,still it would be awesome to have a USA vs. Japan mega-event! i hope Simon Inoki and Carter will make this happen!

[Heath Scumm]

I did not know Gedo and Jado were part of Jushin Liger's faction ... That's good to know ... I thought TNA's Team Japan was that faction ...

[Darius]

Does anyone know the names of all the TNA bookers?

[Jan102]

Tna is of course not that big as the wcw once was but I hope they will grow!
Since Sting is there again and some famous superstars are there like Raven, Christian and so I think it will stay very interesting.
I think TNA is even more entertaining than the wwe smackdown ...

[donnie_middel1]

Does anyone know the names of all the TNA bookers?


Well I know of the following:

Jeff Jarret
Scott D'Amore
Mike Tenay
and I beleive that Jim Cornette will have a role as well.

[Big Sexy]

Booking Committee:
Mike Tenay
Scott D'Amore
Jeremy Borash
Dutch Mantell
Bill Banks

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/nwatna.html

[Darius]

Here is an update on Low-Ki (Senshi):

Senshi recently finished up his last NOAH tour and he will now be working full-time in TNA.


...and news about TNA's schedule for the rest of the year:

"TNA recently released the Impact schedule for the rest of the year. All the shows will take place in Orlando. Also, there has been some talk that the September No Surrender PPV may take place at a different location. It is believed that at least one PPV will take place from somewhere other than Orlando this year".

[Heath Scumm]

I do hope Senshi gets another shot at the X-Division title, maybe one hard hitting strong style bout with Samoa Joe would get him back into the spotlight ... he already defeated The Fallen Angel at LockDown and soon after that Jay Lethal at his Imapct debut so that should send him pretty high in the rankings ...

I've always been a fan of Low Ki after seing the Round Robin Challenge in ROH with him, Daniels and American Dragon ... also, I was very impressed with him in a ROH match against Tajiri wich was simply outstanding ... soon after that I've seen him in TNA's X division Wars with AJ and Jerry Lynn and I've been a fan of him ever since ... I still consider the first ever X-Division match with Low Ki vs AJ vs Lynn vs Psychosis one of the best X-Division matches of all times.

[Dark_Dreamer]

I'm new here and this will be my first post. I am trying to caught up with everything before I become a regular here.

I gotta say, I have been watching wrestling for more then 20 yrs now. I dont see TNA being around much longer. This isnt the first time someone has tried to bring back the more famous people that the WWE didnt want. Shorty after WWE bought WCW a bunch of the guys who would not go back to WWE got together and started doing some cheesie thing out of Los Vegas. It sucked and wasnt around very long.

Now pretty much the same people are trying it again with TNA. Until they figure out what it takes to get people to watch it none stop they are gonna stay on the edge of falling out again.

This is the problem if you ask me. WCW went under. They had no option but to sell to WWE. So, why is TNA trying so hard to build off of what WCW had? I gave it a shot. I stopped when Sting started bringing out his "Mystery Partners" and every one of them was yet another old WCW has-been. Come on! They have some real talent over there but they are trying to use people, who have already lost to WWE, to get thier name going. I just dont see it working.

If they keep this up the new blood they have will leave and then what? JJ, Sting, and Christian will just fight each other over and over again?

[Reaper]

TNA is not trying to build off of what WCW had. So far they are doing a good job with the rooster. However, the heavyweight division still lacks in wrestlers; but whats the point in bringing in one Chris Masters and trying to build him a reputation when the old, yet well known wrestlers are still very capable to fight.
Anyway the X-Division is still like the trademark of TNA: people like AJ Styles, Fallen Angel, Samoa Joe, Low Ki, Chris Sabin, Sonjay Dutt, Jay Lethal, Homocide, Petey Williams are some of the best wrestlers in the world right now. So Sting or Scott Steiner will retire and other heavyweights may or may not arive to TNA, but as long as this federation has its X-Division it will never go down like WCW did.

[Dark_Dreamer]

Yes, they do have come real good and fresh talent. Where are those guys during the main events of the PPV's? They are based in the middle of a tourist zone in Florida. They are trying to get people to come see them while they are on vacation or something.
They have been around for a while now, but from what I know they never leave thier safe spot. The Original ECW tried this but they did it right in the middle of a well populated area such as Phillie PA. They didnt try to use a vacation spot to attract an audience.
I think they hope that people will turn in to see the guys from last year and hope they can get into the X Division enough to come back next week (TNA is on cable channel SPIKE in the US twice every week) to watch the real talent that TNA has to offer.

[Heath Scumm]

I agree with the concept that TNA are keepin' it "better safe than sorry" when it comes to changing locations ... but other than that they are bringing on an entertaining product and there are loads of good athletes over there that are giving it their own ... The product has been inovating since day one combining the old-school NWA feel with the brand new X-Division or as I would say the ROH feel ...

TNA has been around for a long time and although they don't bring the best wrestling in the world nor the best Pure Entertainment, they at least outdo WWE in the "better wrestling" category so that should make them watchable for a fan that seeks the alternative ... I don't know if they will go down 2 soon as they started turning a profit last months and if they keep on doing their stuff on Spike and deliver great X-Division PPVs, they will most certainly become a threat for the WWE in 5 years or so ... but that is a slow and dark road to go through, we as fans just have to wait and see!

I doubt that people will say after TNA will be gone that it was just another WCW attempt ... TNA will be remember as TNA as they have formed their own identity instead of copying one ...

[Dark_Dreamer]

Yes, TNA has great wrestlers. When it comes to pure wrestling they can compete with WWE any day of the week. I think they put on a better wrestling show then even Raw does. Raw has to hurry up and get thier matches over in about 5 minutes so they can get the camera backstage again. TNA lacks that so they can have more matches for a longer time.

The whole WCW thing comes from this. Back then Sting wore a black jumpsuit, a black trench coat, wore black and white face make-up and carried a base ball bat. Steiner was a beefed up bully that always seemed to want to push someone around. JJ was one of the most well spoken wrestlers there ever was. I think The Rock and Jerico watched tapes of his to learn how to do it. Now, what do these same 3 people do in TNA?

TNA wants to use well known names to get noticed. That is a good idea. Christian was really nothing more then an attention getter in WWE. He is good enough to win the title in TNA. What does that say about TNA's talent? lol. I think what they did with the Dudley's is the way to go. They came over to TNA and got beaten down by TNA stars. Then the younger people who watch it, with will either be the ones to watch it in 5 yrs or not, will remember how they were good in the WWE, but now they have moved up into a place that is pretty rough. That is the image that should be giving people. Not the Sting has joined up, and he brought Buff Bagwell with him. Hell, I thought Lugar was still in prison but he showed up there too, LOL.

I can almost swear that if TNA ever started getting bigger, WWE will put a stop to it. Vince will pull out his checkbook and either buy everyone from there or just buy it all together. The only time in history when the WWE wasnt on top was when WCW took a bunch of people that WWE made. Vince learned his lesson and I dont think that will ever happen again.

[Heath Scumm]

Au contraire, my child! The only thing Vince learne after the whole WCW vs WWF episode is the competition is good for the business ... That's why he's creating all those brands and making them rivals, that's why he's supporting Ring of Honor and that's why he's letting TNA do their thing ... also, that's why he's letting top WWE stars like Batista or Edge aproach the TNA subject in their interviews and both of them only had good things 2 say about the company and their former champion Christian Cage ... Vince would like for TNA's product to grow so competition would attract more viewers ...

[Dark_Dreamer]

Please dont get me wrong. I'm sure Vinnie has nothing against TNA. Competition is what keeps you on your game. I'm just saying that IF TNA was to ever start getting close to taking over he is not gonna start there and let that happen. The WWE has more bank then everyone in here will ever see in our lifetimes.

Now, he has made Raw, Smackdown, and now ECE not as competition but as a wel to keep more superstars in the spotlight at one time. It the new eventers from Raw were to also be on Smackdown the ECW every week, there wouldnt be too many people who would care to much about anything else. He said that himself! There wasnt room for everyone to fight under the same title so it had to be divided.

Au contraire, my child? LMFAO!!!

[Heath Scumm]

There wasnt room for everyone to fight under the same title so it had to be divided.

Exactly! And why is that? That's because he couldn't afford to fire great talet because they would soon get together and form another company that could soon threaten the WWE ... TNA was created the same way only that most of the Top Guys are considered to be "WWE Rejects" as some stupid marks would say ... so there were no top WWE guys in TNA to take the spotlight from the WWE, except maybe that segment with Hulk Hogan in Japan that ended up in being Moment of the year in TNA's first year!

Au contraire, my child? LMFAO!!!

I just thought of something evil a la Hannibal Lecter 2 say :evil:

[Dark_Dreamer]

Well now, it seems we have more then Wrestling that we could sit and talk about.

You are pretty well correct on that. I am sure that Vince though he had the whole world in his hands after buying both ECW and WCW. I thought it was due to him wanting to keep as many story lines going with his top talent that he could do, but your opinion of it makes a lot of since too. Lets face it. When we started losing the Monday night war it was due to Kevin Nash helping with the storyline of the NWO over in Nitro. You are right in saying it only takes losing one to lose it all!

Now........I do like your spirit. You have heart. I think I will eat it first.

(Hannibal Lecter from "The Red Dragon")

[Heath Scumm]

VICTORY ROAD 2006 - REVIEW

First of all, in the opening of the show, it should be mentioned that everybody saw that THE FRANCHISE STILL HAS IT. That's where he should be, behind a microphone in the ring being aggresive and obnoxious and not in the backstage area making goofy faces ... they already have the METROSEXUAL ONE -Jeremy Borash for that kind of a role ... I expected more of a reforming look and attitude for the Naturals but it seems they are the same 2 me with an angry attitude, different tights and some modified moves ... other than that, nothing truly impressive except the fact that I can not understan why they are keeping one of the top X-Division talents like Primetime burried in that stable that really has no future!

Second of all, Homicide REPRESENTS bigtime! He truly showed his real class and everything in maybe the most enjoyable wrestling match of the night ... I wasn't that hyped on Hernandez at first but the big muscle man really isn't that bad and "Holly You Know What!" - did Sonjay Sell that Mega Bomb or what? That's how you should do a proper crucifix!!! This LAX thing is pretty nice, I can't believe they actually evolved this storyline and actually gives those 3 motivations for their angry attitudes and stuff ... Anyway, Hernandez isn't the greatest thing alive but he sure fits LAX better than Apollo or Machette! The NOTORIOUS 187 is tremendous!

Rhino vs Monty Brown - why bother? It wasn't even a match ...

What people don't seem to care about enough is the TRUE MATCH OF THE NIGHT in Team 3D/Runt vs James Gang/Abyss that showed for a second that TNA might own ECW as far as Hardcore stuff is concerned ... People! Abyss threw Runt in the crowd just like @ the ECW Arena when Bigelow did the same thing! The weapons and the tremendous display of fast brawling and the punishment Abyss took is true ECW Attitude!

ABYSS is TNA's Number 1 Guy for now, they should give him the NWA WORLD TITLE, there isn't anybody else in that company that worked their asses for this like he did (except maybe AJ and The Fallen Angel).

Senshi was tremendous, I must say I like his pants, I hated him in tights ... also, I like those shorts he used 2 wear ... however I must be a hater and say Kazarian sucks more than he did before, he brought absolutely nothing to the table, I'm sorry they had to make him the No 1 contender when talented wrestlers like Primetime or Cassidy O'Reilly do nothing in TNA right now! Senshi prooved he is Championship material, he's so damn strong style, Kazarian once again, sucked bigtime ... that was no X-Division match, that was crap, anybody who begs 2 differ should once again review those classic matches at the beginning of TNA with The Original World X-Cups, Amazing Red doing great stuff with Kid Kash, AJ and Low Ki, Jerry Lynn, the original Ultimate X Matches, the original Team Canada(with Hart Foundation version 2.0) and so much more ... THAT WAS X-DIVISION! This is just a midcard act, nothing more, nothing less!

Although the Tag-Team Title match was ok, as some said before, the true star was Gail Kim, also I hate the fact that they are trying to split up AMW ... that sucks! Also, That huge b*tch can't wrestle, she looks like a monster but isn't that good! She's A1's female version!

I really wanted Joe to win it but I guess I can wait 'till BOUND FOR GLORY since that is TNA's WrestleMania ... last year they pushed (and rightfully so) Rhino, I hope this year JOE is going to be B4G!

[Mike^]

Now, my entire "wrestling career" evolves around a single character: STING. Now people must understand, in Romania, it's more than hard to watch wrestling. At least years ago, TNT used to show WCW from time to time and i used to watch it. So when i saw Sting descending from the helicpoter, or the roof, appearing and dissapearing through the fog, etc, of course i started to love him :D Now, because a local television started showing TNA Impact weekly, although the shows aren't that new, i started watching, first for fun, than by curiosity, than because i started to enjoy it. Now, you see, after i started to enjoy it, i tried to learn everything there is to know about the wrestlers in TNA. I admit it, i never saw a real RAW or ECW or CZW show and i belive that they are nice. But what made me look at TNA were the amazing jumps, kicks, spins that the guys do. I saw some WWE shows and say Rey Mysterio and Kane, etc, but didn't impress me as much as TNA. So yeah, i love TNA, i love Sting and i love Wrestling :)

[Heath Scumm]

How old are you? If you got to watch WCW on TNT and actually understood some stuff that went down there you must be at least 18! ;)

Indeed, TNA compared 2 WWE's RAW and SmackDown brings much better weekly wrestling ... also you can rarely see disapointing Pay-Per-Views ... ofcourse, there are disapointing matches and angles but I haven't seen on e single TNA show so far that I hated as a whole ... which is a thing I cannot say about WWE ...

Is it me or WWE Great American Bash puts on the worst pro-wrestling in the world from 2004 or so? ... you'll never see stuff like that at a TNA Pay-Per-View!

[Mike^]

Well right now i'm 18. I was probably too young when i watched WCW but hey, still, seeing Sting and Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Lex Luger, The Four Horsemen, etc i still understood what was going on. But TNA is special, it's spectacular, it's awesome. But hey, i won't say that it's better than Smackdown or RAW or CZW or any other association because i didn't see plenty of matches.

[Heath Scumm]

After you see other pieces of wrestling, we await your comments in the respective threads! ;)

[Mike^]

Well give me some good examples of the other associations, of their shows and i'll download them :D

[Heath Scumm]

Well, I am currently watching every monthly TNA Pay-Per-View, every WWE pay-per-view, every ECW on Sci Fi on Tuesdays and every single CZW and ROH show or match I can get my hands on (except deathmatches, I'm not really fond of those) ...

Since you're Romanian, I thought you saw my Top 10 Matches of all times that I truly recommend to every single wrestling fan out there! If not, there it is ... I apologise to the foreign users for the short Romanian reviews but I believe you get the point ...


As dori sa faceti un top al luptelor voastre preferate din toate timpurile ... eu m-am gandit o saptamana intreaga si iata la ce am ajuns ... aceste 10 lupte le recomand oricarui fan al wrestlingului si reprezinta dupa parerea mea cele mai bune meciuri pe care le-am vazut vreodata!

1. Tables Ladders Chairs - WrestleMania 17
Liderul incontestabil al topului, inca astept o lupta care sa intreaca acest meci ca intensitate

2. TNA Turning Point - Six Sides Of Steel - Triple X vs America's Most Wanted
Echipa care pierde nu mai are voie sa lupte vreodata impreuna ... Contine cea mai tare manevra facuta vreodata in pro-wrestling ... ii apartine lui Elix Skipper si este un Hurancanara extrem de pe cusca dupa ce a mers vreo cativa metri pe muchia subtire a custii

3. CZW - Ruckus vs Sonjay Dutt vs Chris Cash
RIP Chris Cash ... prima mea intalnire cu o lupta CZW si cu Ruckus pe care-l consider unul dintre cei mai impresionanti atleti de pe planeta ...

4. Royal Rumble Match 2001
Dupa parerea mea cel mai antrenant Royal Rumble din toate timpurile ... o ora plina de actiune ... nici un moment de plcitiseala

5. CZW Cage Of Death - Team Cash vs Team Blackout
Cei mai buni atleti din CZW si cativa dintre cei mai impresionanti tineri de pe planeta se infrunta intr-un meci tip Cage Of Death (2 ringuri alaturate inconjurate de o cusca metalica si singura cale prin care poti elimina luptatorii este prin eliminarea lor din ringuri) - ceva extrem de inovativ si brutal... tre sa vedeti ca sa credeti ... pentru amatorii de Hardcore HighFlying.

6. Ultimate X - TNA Final Resolution
Cel mai bun meci de tip Ultimate X ... no doubt!

7. ECW One Night Stand - Dudley Boyz vs Sandman/Tommy Dreamer
O veritabila bataie de strada ... masa in flacari a pus capac show-ului ... am scandat Holly Shit pentru vreo 3 minute in continuu!

8. ECW - Sabu vs Sandman - Stairway 2 Hell
Dupa parerea mea cea mai buna lupta a lui Sabu si probabil cea mai buna lupta a lui Sandman

9. TNA Slammiversary 2005 - King Of The Mountain Match
Quote The Raven, Nevermore ...

10. Ring Of Honor - Scramble Cage Match
Carnage Crew vs Hart Foundation version 2.0 vs SAT vs Backseat Boyz vs Special K - desi lupta e umbrita de incercarea lui Teddy Hart de la sfarsitul meciului cand era sa-l ucida cu un Shooting Star Press de pe cusca pe Joel maximo,infruntarea e epica ... nici nu stii la ce sa te uiti mai intai ...Lupta e plina de controverse in conditiile in care HC LOC din carnage Crew s-a apucat sa-i bata pe bune cu o curea pe teddy Hart si Jack Evans dupa escapadele lui teddy!

Desigur, exista o multime de alte meciuri care merita mentionate insa acestea sunt favoritele mele ... daca nu ma insel le-am postat pe toate in sectiunea multimedia ... daca ati ratat vreo una faceti bine si le downloadati pentru ca nu stiti ce pierdeti ... deasemenea, daca nu va place vreo lupta din cele postate de mine, va rog sa motivati si sa precizati luptele care va plac voua, eventual sa le postati in Multimedia!

Lately, from what I've seen and I've seen a lot, I do believe that the CZW Cage Of Death Match between Team Blackout and Team Cash might be the best match of all times, nowadays it's up there fighting for the Number 1 spot with WrestleMania's 17 TLC

[Dark_Dreamer]

I have never really been a Sting fan. He just wasnt something that I wanted to see go to far. He is a great wrestler though. One of the best. Plus, I have to give credit where credit is due. He does like Vince McMahon and he didnt jump over when WCW was bought. It is nice to see someone stand by what they believe.

Now, I have been to more live wrestling shows then I can sit here and remember. I was on TNT once. I was on camera for about 5 seconds while I was slapping at the Macho Man Randy Savage, LMFAO. That was back when he was in a feud with Diamond Dallas Page. I was a HUGE NWO fan and that was why I went to a live taping of Monday Nitro. Sad thing is no major member of NWO showed up. Hall, Nash, and 6 were all backstage and you seen them on the big screen but that was it.

Going to see it live is nothing like watching it on TV. I think it is better on TV. Dont ask me why, I just think that it is.

[deadprezuk]

If anything the reason Sting never jumped ship is because his spot was never in jepoardy. When has Sting in his entire WCW run ever been anything other than a upper-midcard/main-event wrestler? Never, he didn't need to go anywhere because he was getting what he wanted. And as far as him being a great wrestler goes. I wouldn't even say that. He is good, but not great. Ric Flair basically made Sting into a credible opponent by basically carrying him through their feud in the NWA and WCW.

And as far as TNA having better wrestling than WWE. I completely disagree. Knowone can tell me that TNA is true wrestling, spotfests yes, but wrestling no. Even if you compare the talent roster the WWE has guys with more talent in their pinky toe than 99% of the TNA roster. Fact is wrestling should tell a story, in TNA that doesnt happen and its because they have only a handful of guys with any sort of in-ring psychology.

[Dark_Dreamer]

Ric Flair never really carried Sting. He had matches with Sting to let Sting show off what he had, which was talent. He was always able to carry the crowd and has been one of the most athletic wrestlers around. Sting has has something that is real important to some people in this world.....LOYALTY! No, he never really had to jump over to the WWE, but neither did Ric Flair and Dusty Roades who wrestling Gods in the south back in the day. To this day I have friends who could stand around and talk about just them 2 for hrs, and every story they throw out was from the old NWA days. Both of them jumped over to the WWE for a time.

And I think I am fighting the same fight again. You said that you are from Romania also. Over here in the States if you want to see wrestling you watch TNA. If you like the drama and the storylines of a soap opera, which I do, then you watch WWE. TNA will have just as many matched, if not more wrestling matches in thier 1 hr tv show then Raw has in 2 hrs.

I also would not say that the talent is that much better. Can you really sit there and tell me that John Cena, who is the biggest thing WWE thinks that they have, and Big Show, who is the ECW champ and takes on all kinds of people from Raw and Smackdown, are talented wrestlers? The WWE has training camps that a lot of thier wrestlers have to go through. They put on live shows damn near every night from one side of this county to the other. Of course they can put on a better show, just look at the training and practice they get. TNA may have practice during the week for the guys to figure out what is gonna happen diring the matches, but in no way shape or form do they have anything like the WWE does for thier guys. Thier guys still go out there and put on a damn good show though. Why? Because of the talent that they have.

[Heath Scumm]

^deadprezuk is not Romanian ... he's from London, England

As far as deadprezuk's "lack of ring psychology" in TNA claims, may I remind you that the X Division is mostly composed out of ROH guys ... yes, ROH prides itself in being the No 1 Company in the US when it comes to ring psychology ...

Also, we have the veterans that are so old-school that they really can't do anything else but ring psychology and telling stories of how the good guy gets beaten up for 3/4 of the match than comes back and win it ...

I'm really more of a spotfest fan, I like fast matches and a lot of Impact moves, I don't like the dragging, the mat stuff and the over-selling which some of the top guys in TNA do ... but I see the same thing in ROH as well with guys like American Dragon, Colt Cabana, CM Punk (during his one hour matches with Joe ... man those were boring as hell! <--- just sayin' that to stir up some more sh*t :rolleyes: ) and others ... yet, I do believe those people would fit TNA's X-division (except Colt who is to fat that even "No weight limits" thing don't aply to him :evil:) because they can also go fast and do loads of spots!

I've got one thing to ask you guys ... If you want to talk exclusively about TNA do it in this topic but if you want to compare TNA to WWE's brands, please do it in the respective topic I've created for that! Thanks! ;)

[deadprezuk]

First off I'm from London, England, I never said I was from Romania, and I don't think geography has anything to do with the amount of wrestling I watch and know about since the American style of wrestling that you are a fan of originated from Catch Wrestling which is BRITISH.

Secondly, without Flair, Sting wouldn't have had the chance to become a major player. Fact is that Flair had made a career out of making younger competitors look good, he bumped his a** off for Sting, Luger, to name a few, and was the premier player of the NWA basically carrying that company on its back.

Thirdly, the talent roster of the WWE is way better than TNA. Is John Cena the greatest wrestler, no, but he works hard. And can you honestly tell me that guys like Benoit, Finlay, Regal, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Jamie Noble, Kid Kash, CM Punk, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Shawn Michaels, Edge are not talented when they prove time and time again that they can pull in crowds, have great matches are worse than guys like Sabin, Dutt, Lethal, Styles, Skipper, Team Canada. You are obviously a spot fan which brings me to my final point psychology.

Psychology is one of if not the most important aspects of in-ring wrestling. It is what keeps kayfabe (another very important aspect of wrestling) alive. The fact is this is what tells the story, which is what professional wrestling is all about.

Great psychology is when Jumbo Tsuruta had his leg hurt, he held the leg. He struggled to stand. He struggled to run. He changed his defense and his offense. He screamed in pain so the kids could know he was in pain, and he stumbled coming off the ropes for the inappropriately attentive. By telling no story deeper than "my leg is hurt" he created the illusion for the young and the facts for the old. He gave whoever was watching a chance to see their own story in the match.

Bad psychology is Teddy Hart or Jack Evans having their leg worked on all match only to come out with a triple moonsault without even acknowledging that they had any damage done to their legs. Or AJ Styles doing a shooting star off the top rope to the outside while 2 or 3 guys wait there to catch him. Hell, even Petey Williams doing the canadian destroyer is utter bull****.

My point is that psychology and kayfabe is there so that wrestling looks real. The majority of TNAs roster doesn't do that, its just a no-selling stunt show. Tell me, Ric Flair, Harley Race, Dusy Rhodes, Superstar Billy Graham, The Rock, Steve Austin, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan (I could go on for days!) did they ever have to jump off a ladder to get over and be seen as a legitimate competitor. . . HELL NO!

The WWE is what other wrestling companys want to measure up to. They have the biggest stars, the biggest legends, a group of backstage personnel which is a million times better than TNA, if you don't believe me take a look yourself:

WWE
Vince McMahon
Ricky Steamboat
Dusty Rhodes
Arn Anderson
Dean Malenko
Blackjack Lanza
Greg Gagne
Michael Hayes
Ted Dibiase
Pat Patterson
Bruce Pritchard
Johnny Ace
Ron Simmons

To name a few...

Whereas TNA have notable guys like
TNA
Shane Douglas
Jerry Lynn
Glenn Gilberti
Tom Prichard
Terry Taylor
Simon Diamond
Jeff Jarrett
Mike Tenay

Quite frankly, TNA have a long long ways to go before they are acknowledged as a great company with a great product. And in all honesty I hope they succeed, but anyone claiming that they're the better company now is just kidding themselves, because the statistics prove that they're knowhere near WWE standard, in wrestling or entertainment.

[Heath Scumm]

Nobody disagrees that TNA is under WWE's level when it comes to Entertainment ... And I, better than anybody, understand what you're talknig about when it comes to "ring psychology" ... I had numerous arguments with ROH fans trying to defend CZW and claiming CZW was the better company and time and time again they were bringing the argument of "ring psychology" into play ...

To say "wrestling is about telling a story and not about spots" is wrong, I would say ... pro-wrestling has evolved a lot ... old-school pro-wrestling was about telling stories but the times have changed and the crowd demands impact, the crowd demands high-flying off ladders through tables, the crowd demands Heels as Faces ... The WWE gives them a little bit of that but their product isn't the best out there ... I do believe that people would love ROH guys performing in a WWE ring if those guys would be properly pushed and given a character development storyline and stuff like that ...

That's what TNA does ... they take ROH guys and give them the chance to grow their character ... they take former ECW guys and give them the chance of being themselves ... they take former WCW/WWE wrestlers and give them ... well, I don't care much about Sting, Steiner or Christian so I'm gonna stop there! :rolleyes:

Anyway, TNA brings on the new style of pro-wrestling, practicly taking the stuff you'll see in a Indy fed, wash it down a little bit and set it in a commercial environment! That's what the crowd needs and as long as TNA invests funds and energy into promoting and growing, they will become a serious competitor ...

Most people believe they are the Alternative, few people claim they are competitors ...

[deadprezuk]

You see smarks believe that wrestling has evolved into high-flying action, full of tables, ladders chairs and all that other stuff, but in all hoesty that isn't true wrestling, anyone can do that. Look at the WWE, it is the biggest company in the world, it has the highest buyrates, highest ratings, hugest crowds, most money, biggest stars, etc. That alone proves that it is the best outhere because the majority buy the product. Times haven't changed, the WWE are still on top and make more of an impact than any other company around the world.

The problem with TNA is not only the company itself (I mainly talking about the bookers) but the fans. The problem is that they think they're hot s*** because they watch the "alternative" to the WWE. Remember when it was cool to like ECW when everyone watched WCW amd WWE/F, well its exactly the same thing. But the difference between TNA & ECW is that TNA is NOT innovative. ECW was innovative, it brought wrestling to the forefront at a time when gimmicks were running the business. It brought hardcore wrestling on a more regular basis, it brought innovative storylines, matches, characters, etc. TNA doesn't do that at all. It is basically what you said it was, like any other indy fed, that is not innovative its just showing people what they can see in their own hometown, in their own homegrown indy fed but this time its on televsion its on television.

[Heath Scumm]

TNA innovates, they brought a lot of new gimmick matches which are pretty cool and entertaining ...

I must disagree when you say anybody can work highflying matches, ladder, tables and hardcore matches and full impact spots ... If anybody could do that, we would have a pretty big roster on TNA or any other fed "spot-prone" as you say ...

I really don't know what your oppinion about WWE is ... what type of product do you think they deliver? What are their strong points? In my oppinion, you see them better as they really are ... WWE is all about the looks of the superstar, when I watch WWE I see a lot of oiled up beefy guys in trunks and that's not something I relate to ... I do know they have great talent which I respect and they do entertain me a lot, but there are loads of guys there that really do not make me that happy! But let's not turn this into a WWE discussion, we could focus on that some other time!

[deadprezuk]

TNA innovates, they brought a lot of new gimmick matches which are pretty cool and entertaining ...

Lets see apart from Ultimate X and King of the Mountain I don't see anything new. The tournaments and cups that they contest are nothing new to wrestling as these are staples in Japan and similar to tourneys held on the indy scene such as the ECWA Super 8 or the Ted Petty invitational. Even the ring isn't innovative, its a lucha-libre style ring for christ sake. Honestly, what influence has TNA had on the WWE product. . . none. Its not like ECW where they made such an impact that WWE had no choice but to sit up and take notice. I mean ECW is now back, but the last 5 years will tell you that it had more buzz going for it than TNA have ever had, and the company wasn't even around. When have you ever heard a TNA chant start up at a WWE show. . . never! Yet ECW chants echo round arenas whenever theres something going on that reminds them of the company that help kickstart a revolution in professional wrestling.


I really don't know what your oppinion about WWE is ... what type of product do you think they deliver?

Easy, Wrestling entertainment, its in the title, the balance is not always perfect but they do put on feuds and programs a helluva lot better than any other federation and the wrestling is done in its own way with no shame whatsoever, you don't see them on TV complaining and whining like little girls or taking shots at the WWE because they can't get anywhere near them so they take the low road hoping that Vince McMahon might actually give a s*** and mention them so that somenone will finally talk about them other than themselves. They go out there and give you all they got whether it be in the ring, on the mic, wherever.


What are their strong points? In my oppinion, you see them better as they really are ... WWE is all about the looks of the superstar, when I watch WWE I see a lot of oiled up beefy guys in trunks and that's not something I relate to ... I do know they have great talent which I respect and they do entertain me a lot, but there are loads of guys there that really do not make me that happy! But let's not turn this into a WWE discussion, we could focus on that some other time!

Its strong points vary.

1. They're not afraid and never have been afraid to push the bar, in terms of wrestling or taste when it comes to their audience (basically intsead of trying to give them what they want all the time they try to push stuff out there), which is rarely seen in any other company. Companys like TNA are sucking up to smarks thinking it will gain them some sort of respect and noteriety, when in all honesty smarks is what has ruined wrestling and the all important kayfabe in the first place. The problem with this is that smarks can't sit back and enjoy the product. They pick out every little detail bit by bit thinking that they look cool and smart because they see the holes, when really they're just ruining for themselves and others.

2. They're not afraid to make new stars. If you look at the roster now compared to 5 or 6 even up to 8 years ago there are very few guys who are still here on the roster, and it is still going strong making money, and putting on great shows. TNA has had Jarrett on top for almost its entire existence, I mean 30 out of 49 months Jarrett has held the NWA Belt. When is he gonna give it up, he was never over in the WWE, in WCW he was given the belt because any decent talent they had got fed up and found greater success and opportunities in the WWE. TNA needs to start branding their company, create some homegrown superstars that make them money, otherwise they'll just be known as another indy fed.

3. Branding. They're are guys who have come through WWE/WCW/ECW ranks that are always going to be seen as WWE guys no matter where they go. Christian Cage is always gonna be a WWE guy. Team 3D/Rhino are always gonna be known as ECW guys. Sting/Steiner always gonna be known as WCW guys. No matter where any of the WWE talent goes it is always gonna be known as WWE. TNA don't do this. They need to because it is what helps bring people back to your product time and time again. Hell, I would associate some of the younger talent on the TNA roster with ROH more than I would TNA, and ROH don't even have a TV deal.

4. Product. I don't care what you say about how you think people demand high impact wrestling and high spots nowadays, and that I think that they are better than they actually are because quite frank statistics prove you wrong. The WWE has some of that but it will happen at PPVs after a good amount of build up. TNA goes out every week and puts on the same matches with the same spots which will basically kill the business they're trying to do. There is only so many times you can watch AJ Styles do the Pele, the spiral tap, the flying clothsline before it becomes boring and reptitive which it already does to an extent. Even to this day the WWE is constantly reinventing themselves in order to freshen up their product, proven most recently with the punjabi prison match. Now like it or not, it had never been done. TNA has the same matchs that they re-hash all the time. Ultimate X, Six-Sided Steel Cage, King of the Mountain etc. They need to stop focusing on trying to be so damn flashy and get back to the basics of what makes wrestling great. Feuds, programs, emotionally charged situations, big time matches. Until then, they are stuck in the same cycle of things.

[Big Sexy]

Hmmm, dude, you actualy make a point and i love to see that on this forum only reasonable and knowledgeable guys reside. This is why i keep coming and coming here everyday, uhh and becouse i am a mod here and i have to keep things running :P

on a serious note i have to say that indeed TNA is a spotfest, mainly becouse they desperately need a break from the WWE domination. Indeed, the more highspots the more demanding will be for TNA management to be creative, it is just like software developers that implement new features years after they created them only as a justification for a new version. And also it kills the bussiness.
I becomed a wrestling comentator BECOUSE i love wrestling as a REAL show and i do not accept to break on national TV the keyfabe even if i am asked about this in the shows i go. Breaking the keyfabe is baaad for the bussiness. I must admint that sometimes the TNA storylines break the keyfabe ut is not so obvious for a casual viewer.
Coming back to the highspots on normal shows - i see no problem, considering they future plans, and it will probably happend as it did in WCW at a certain point (sort off) - once they make a name out of it they are going to reduce the high risk and keep it only for the PPV's. i think in WCW Dusty Rhodes interdicted the high flying in order to make it more interesting after a while when it reappereaded even though it was the same old thing everyone one was enthusiasmed on a monsault like it was the most awesome move ever.
I cannot say truly what will happend to TNA in 8 yrs, i hope it will raise even stronger and, bilieve it or not, most of the wrestling viewers and fans wish this since is for the interest of the bussiness.

About the branding - yes, they need their own house names, guys they breed, but it does not happend at this moment since their priorities did not reach the "establish a market name" phase. They are building reputation much faster by bringinmg to the masses ROH guys. Even i that i almost never watch ROH i tend to link x-division with ROH, i even say it on the shows. It is kind of odd, i do not know exactly why it hapends. At this point TNA need ratings and they have no resources to invest into the breeding farm :P

[Dragon-sin]

Even i that i almost never watch ROH i tend to link x-division with ROH, i even say it on the shows.

That just isnt the truth.ROH is not TNA's X-Division.Let's look at the ROH guys in the X-Division : Alex Shelley , 'Cide and Aries but hes not in TNA right now. Alex Shelley is a young talent and he wants to improve himself so he is in TNA,but let me remind you that Shelley was in TNA before The X-division was as famous as it is today,i think he had a stable with Abyss at one point.Homicide is in TNA because he just wants to make money ,he has a young son he needs to take care of.Austin Aries is not even in TNA right now ! Now you have some other wrestlers in TNA from ROH like Samoa Joe or AJ and Daniels,however they are not in the X-Division right now.

Another strong point would be the fact that the top wrestlers in ROH and maybe even the world ,Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuiness are not even in TNA!The top guys in the X-Division Chris Sabin ,Petey Williams (im going to skip Senshi because he is fairly new in TNA) and maybe Sonjay Dutt ,they were in ROH long enough to get a cup o' coffee.So there you have it ,the X-Division is not ROH or ''ROH's Best Of'' .

[Heath Scumm]

@Batista

I would like 2 disagree on your statements ... Nigel Mc Guiness wanted 2 come 2 TNA but his style just didn't fit TNA as he wasn't really X-Division material and they let him go after a couple of Explosions and a defeat against Shark Boy in a PPV Dark Match ... I do agree, Nigel is not that good and highly overrated ... but if I would say that on a ROH forum I would probably get squashed :rolleyes:

Alex Shelley was not as big before as he is now ... I've watched TNA evolved since day one and their Nashville days, I've always read the results and tried 2 see as many shows as I could, I've never missed a Pay Per View since they started with Victory Road so I know what I'm talking about ... I've seen the whole Goldielocks feud and that really didn't put Shelley over but rather took him down, that was one of the reasons he was briefly released and only after his run with the Embassy in ROH he was taken back ...

Homicide's or Aries motivations for being in TNA are not important, the fact that they're here is what matters ... I have no idea why Danielson wouldn't work for TNA, probably he talked it over with the officials but didn't get anywhere, plus he's got loads of Japanese and European work on his hands ... so that should be enough ...

Sabin was always TNA, but Petey and Sonjay were CZW made and Sonjay also had a good run in ROH ... the fact that they're now in TNA and not in ROH I believe is again about money ...

Senshi isn't new to TNA, Senshi was TNA made although ROH had a lot to do with it in his early days with that Triple Feud against American Dragon and The Fallen Angel ...

Ofcourse, ROH has a lot of other great guys out there that ould be part of TNA's X-Division, but I still believe the X-Division is ROH more or less ... Ofcourse, the whole ROH product is much better than almost anything you'll see in an X-Division match because wrestlers really do give it their all in an ROH ring but that's another story!

[Dragon-sin]

''I do agree, Nigel is not that good and highly overrated ...''

Have you seen the Nigel/Dragon match from Weekend of Champions Night 2? or Nigel vs. Jay from Ring of Homicide? I cant belive you just said that. If anything Nigel is underrated ! He wrestled in ROH ,NOAH and all over the world.This guy is one of the best in the world and i strongly suggest you get the Nigel/Dragon match from W.O.C.Night 2!

''Sonjay also had a good run in ROH''

He was in ROH for 1 match! He wrestled Dragon at Death Before Dishonor ,and thats it.

''Senshi isn't new to TNA, Senshi was TNA made although ROH had a lot to do with it in his early days with that Triple Feud against American Dragon and The Fallen Angel ...''

I was talking about Senshi not Low Ki .Low Ki took some time off TNA and wrestled in NOAH and ROH but left TNA,and only came back now,so you understand why he is ''new'' .

''that Triple Feud against American Dragon and The Fallen Angel ...''

Dragon rejected the TNA contract,he wasnt in a TNA ring as far as i know,or at least he wasnt so much as to do a feud.

''Ofcourse, ROH has a lot of other great guys out there that ould be part of TNA's X-Division, but I still believe the X-Division is ROH more or less ... Ofcourse, the whole ROH product is much better than almost anything you'll see in an X-Division match because wrestlers really do give it their all in an ROH ring but that's another story!''

Not only that but ROH is a company with storylines with good wrestling ,TOTALLY different than the X-Division,and i dont see why you still belive the ROH is the X-Division.

[deadprezuk]

I have no idea why Danielson wouldn't work for TNA, probably he talked it over with the officials but didn't get anywhere, plus he's got loads of Japanese and European work on his hands ... so that should be enough ...


Pretty simple, he doesn't need to go there. He makes money and gets to wrestle how he wants. He is in demand much like Samoa Joe, difference with Joe was that he is very adamant about being used correctly otherwise he walks. Danielson is like that too but where Danielson is right now is where Joe was over a year ago, and if he wanted to go to TNA he would want just as much of a push than Joe. Plus he can draw ROH corwds easily. He main evented the biggest crowd ROH ever had as the World Champion, if he went to TNA he would just be chucked in the X-Division because old farts like Sting, Steiner & Jarrett won't get the hell outta there and give people with a future a shot at making a name for themselves.

[Heath Scumm]

@ Batista

I've seen a lot of ROH shows and a lot of Nigel's matches including the two you speak of ... I don't know if the second one is the one I'm talking about, he defeated Jay Lethal for the Pure Title in the one I've seen; don't know the name of the event though

I always saw him being extremely technical and kind of slow, can't do much in the ring except chain wrestling and some impact strikes, never really enjoyed that type of wrestling I do like high speed and dangerous spots ... and Nigel can't do much of those ... as Deadprezuk once said about "Tables, Ladders and Highflying" that "anyone can do that", well I believe anyone can do the chain wrestling Nigel does! And I see that as his strong point so if he doesn't excel in that, I have really not much interest in seing him ...

Sonjay Dutt had a good run in ROH, he had a few matches there ... he wrestled Trent Acid at the end of 2003 (I've seen that match) and in 2004 he did a couple of appearences including that famous 6 Way Match (the one with Amazing Red returning to ROH, I've posted that one on the forums as well cuz it's great) ... as far as I know he did a lot of those 4 Way/6 way matches in ROH but I haven't seen a lot of him in ROH ... I can only say he was very high with the crowd although he was a CZW Household name ...

I was talking about the Triple Feud from ROH, that's where I first saw Low Ki in a Round Robin Challenge, right before seing him in TNA in that awesome match against Amazing Red ... The Triple Feud with Low Ki, Dragon and Daniels was so emotional and intense that really impressed me ... I remember Daniels not wanting to uphold the Code Of Honor which was a big thing for ROH back then and both Dragon and Low Ki going mental about it ... I believe this whole thing happened right at the beginning of 2002, some guy in Cluj that I found on mIRC was a really big fan of Tajiri and Low Ki and sent me 4 CDs with those guys ... so I managed 2 see his matches as soon as they happened ... Lucky me! :ok:

[Dragon-sin]

I dont see how can you say that about Nigel. He is a great wrestler and in ROH and NOAH he has proven himself as beeing one of the best.He is VERY entertaining and you saying that he is boring! its just something i dont understand or agree with,and i TOTALLY disagree with you saying that he is slow.

He is an awesome heel ,and in NOAH you can truly see how good of a wrestler he really is ,and im not only talking about his in ring skills but about his charisma as well.But this discussion is going nowhere,just because you like a certain type of wrestling,not the whole bunch.

''well I believe anyone can do the chain wrestling Nigel does!'' - Id like to think you dont really belive that.

I think i saw Sonjay on the Best of Jack Evans DVD in a 6 way match. Still i wouldnt say he had a good run.The fans loved him because he was a face and could do high flying.He wasnt a major player in ROH.

[Heath Scumm]

^ No, indeed, he wasn't a major player ... but I saw the fans were into him so I thought he could have been ...

I really don't like Nigel, I just don't like the way he looks or the way he wrestles ... I just don't consider him 2 be TNA material ... but as you know, you and me like different stuff about pro-wrestling but can still get together when it comes to enjoying a spotfest of any kind :D ... at least we're not John Cena fans :evil: ...

[Heath Scumm]

So with all of the "Remove the cancer from TNA" talk, there's something that people don't notice. The way that they're setting up Sting to fail.

Look at the facts. Sting wants Jarrett gone; Jarrett wants to keep the belt; Sting somewhat has Christian to watch his back; Jarrett has Steiner;

Out of those four statements only one jumps out at me as "shakey," Sting having Christian to watch his back. Here's my conspiracy theory:

On iMPACT, there's the match to see who's allowed to be at ringside at the PPV match between Sting and Jarrett. I say Christian wins the match and gets to be in Stings corner. However, I believe that there is something brewing in the storylines that turns Christian Cage into the next superheel. Being the case that he'd be at ringside, everyone's thinking okay Sting's got a distinct advantage. What if he doesn't? What if Christian was on Jarrett's side the whole time and turns on Sting at the PPV? They're totally setting it up for this in my eyes.

As I brought up in another thread, there are no other heels to move storylines in TNA, so once Jarrett's gone, where do you go from there? Nowhere, unless they're grooming someone to be the next superheel. I believe this to be Christian Cage.

SIDE NOTE: I think it's funny, Edge is now a superheel in WWE, and I'm thinking Christian will be that same superheel in TNA

I fully agree with him, this sh*t is kinda predictable, wouldn't you say so? Although, what if TNA has something else in mind? :evil:

[Heath Scumm]

Holly Sh*t!

IMPACT SPOILER
Did you guys see Brother runt Dive from the Titantron over Abyss? That was awesome! The impact was unbelieveble!!!

[Heath Scumm]

One thing I'd like to add about Hard Justice ... it's also stated in my signature ...

LAX make me proud to be Latin! Homicide will go 187 on you Gringo B*tches!

[Darius]

Holly Sh*t!

IMPACT SPOILER
Did you guys see Brother runt Dive from the Titantron over Abyss? That was awesome! The impact was unbelieveble!!!

Yep. I just saw that moment and it was pretty cool :cool:. I kinda changed my impression over him after that move.

[Heath Scumm]

Well, he was doing much more crazier things in ECW but overall he's so cool ... the throw in the crowd last month was taken from ECW when Bam Bam Bigelow threw Spike in the crowd in Philly!

[Heath Scumm]

What did I tell you in the Romanian TNA topic?

LAX taking over ... Homicide will go 187 on you Gringo B*tches! Why? Because we're latino and we got more pantalones than you! :cool:

[Heath Scumm]

Interesting, to say the least! :D ... hope I'll get to see that in a future Impact! show ... maybe this week, as I haven't DL it yet!

I was forwarded a video clip of the incident from the TNA Impact taping last Monday, where a fan hopped the rail to go after Jeff Jarrett. The fan, who was wearing a Lucha mask, was encouraged by his friends to do it, with his friends cackling the entire time. Jarrett had challenged the fan, doing nothing more than being a heel. The fan hopped the rail, after his pals encouraged him, and got on the apron. The second he did, Jarrett started paintbrushing him with slaps and then grabbed him in a front facelock, pulling the fan's throat over the top rope to subdue him. At this point, everyone and their mother grabbed the fan. Jarrett broke off to continue his angle with Samoa Joe, while several wrestlers, including America's Most Wanted, continued to physically subdue the gangly fan, getting a few shots in themselves. No wrestler should ever strike a fan, but the second a fan enters the ringside area, it's got to be game on, because you never know what the fan could be carrying. After watching the footage a few times, TNA handled it the best they could. The saddest part of the footage is listening to the fan's pals encourage him to hop the rail and them laugh hysterically as their friend is getting creamed by a bunch of wrestlers with blood in their eyes.

Credit Source - PWInsider

[deadprezuk]

Heres the clip of the incident that they're talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5n-6GUbXno

AMW get some pretty good shots in there, and quite frankly I'm glad cos I would've done the same.

[Heath Scumm]

The fan really got what he deserved, I loved the way James Storm kicked his ass ...

About AMW, although there was a time when Chris Harris was pushed to Main Event status in the early TNA days while Storm remained to the UpperMidcard status, I've always thought Storm to be just a little bit better than Harris!

[deadprezuk]

^^^ I agree I've always preferred Storm to Harris as a character and persona. As far as skill they're more or less equal but Storm has a bit more charisma. However one thing Harris has always had is a presence which is probably why he got a push early on against Jarrett.

[Heath Scumm]

After Bound 4 Glory 2006, TNA will move to a larger Arena ... of course, it will not be as large as the WWE Arenas but, nevertheless, this is going to be a big challenge for TNA trying to put asses in seats!

Chris Sabin said that the new Arena can host up to 5000 or 6000 people so it's definitely huge!

What are your thoughts about this?

[deadprezuk]

More power to them, if they can pack the arena then only good can come of it.

[Heath Scumm]

Credit Source - Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-Ron Killings was not in a good mood at the 9/4 Impact tapings. Killings was upset that the crowd didn't respond to his offensive runs during his match with Christian Cage. He believes that nobody in the crowd thought that he would win, and that's why they didn't respond as well to him in the match. Also, Killings was described as working half-hearted during the tapings. To keep him content, an idea was proposed to add him to LAX. However, Jeff Jarrett nixed it, saying that he will receive a push when Impact expands to two hours. Also, Killings was standoffish towards road agent Terry Taylor at the tapings.

-Monty Brown was at the 9/4 Impact tapings, but he wasn't used. His contract still has a little bit of time left, but he hasn't signed a renewal. Although, the company is more hopeful of him staying in TNA than they were three weeks ago.

Also, The official TNA website was hacked late last night. The damage was minimal as phrases such as "WWE owns TNA" were plastered all over the site, and that was basically it. TNA shut down the site in the morning to fix everything and get things back in order. Everything seems to be fine now as the site is back up and running.

[deadprezuk]

^^^Thats pretty funny, makes what Pee Wee Moore said that much more ironic.

[Heath Scumm]

What did Pee Wee Moore say? Was that about those two leaving TNA to go to WWE?

[deadprezuk]

Nope, he was ranting and raving about how Vince McMahon owns TNA and that he has owned ECW since 1998. Heres the article, its quite a mad one to be fair but real funny as well.

http://www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/peewee1.html

[Heath Scumm]

Well, I believe this guy really goes only on supositions ... he's a crazy mo'fo! :D

[Heath Scumm]

Did you guys see Tyler Black jobbing to LAX this week on IMPACT? :great:

For those who don't know who he is, Tyler Black is one of the most promicing high-flyers from the US indy circuit who made quite a name for himself in IWA MidSouth ... if I remember correctly, he is the one who viciously botched that SSP to outside when he landed stomach first on the steel cable holding the turnbuckle ...

[Heath Scumm]

Bound 4 Glory Thoughts

I know this comes a week late but only yesterday I managed to finish watching Bound 4 Glory and the follow-up IMPACT!

A short coverage with some of my oppinions ...

First of all, I would have expected the Gauntlet to consist out of X Division guys, instead they tried to squeeze in guys like A1, that midget or Norman Smiley and even Slick Johnson which turned everything into a joke ... Remember Mikey Batts or Casidy O'Reilley, plus they have people like Matt Sydal or Amazing Red on their try-out lists, yet they give me that Afro freak or Zach Gowen? I really don't like the new rip-off gimmick of Starr, he's just a more flamboyant Randy Savage, nothing original ... Hope that in the end it will work out ok!

Also, I am surprised that they still don't do anything with two of the most amazing wrestlers on the roster, and I mean Primetime and The Truth ...

I don't know where they're going with this whole Naturals vs Franchise thing ... it's getting kinda lame since the addition of Franchise really didn't expand the Natural's characters but only gave them new tights! Which is sad, they benefited more of this "character development" thing when they were wearing pink and black tights, I really don't see what this whole Franchise thing is doing for them! The Tag Division keeps on looking strong which is a good thing!

They could also develop this Sabin/Senshi thing or maybe they could turn it into a Sabin vs Jerry Lynn thing as I do believe Lynn has it in him for one more match!

The Monster's Ball was decent but did actually Raven carried everyone in the match? Yes he did! ;) ... Everybody did their best but I guess their best wasn't enough since there are only 3 wrestlers who can actually go Hardcore now ... could have been 4 but Rhino has other issues on his mind ... Maybe they could split Team 3D for some Hardcore brawls since both of them are experienced enough to handle singles Hardcore competition ...

Rhino vs Christian ... meh ... I've seen better, I've seen worse, it's not Rhino's best use now but it's better than doing nothing ... he shouldn't get all emotional on me, he's the F'N Man Beast, damn it! EC F'N W, remember? He gored smaller opponents through stuff, he piledrived smaller opponents through stuff, he wasn't wrestling even matched individuals! That's what made him great - squash matches killing small guys! As far as Christian Cage goes, I still don't like his in ring work but he's amazing on the microphone and he still pulls some decent matches as he's a hard worker!

The Cage match stole the show but the Hernandez splash looked bad, I really though he blew off his knees ... LAX proves once again they're the hottest thing going in Main Stream Wrestling right now and there's much more where that came from ...

As far as the Main Event goes, the match was weak but I loved the whole guitar breaking and Sting not feeling it thing ... when I saw him still standing and after that screaming in front of Jarett, I was so excited ... However, the new look is not that good and Angle deserves some proper wrestling matches, not just hanging around and delivering the ocasional Olympic Slam now and then ...

Also, i do not appreciate this whole attempt of Jarett turning face ... hope TNA won't scoop as low as to attempt a second fake crowd cheering and booing coming from the speakers when Jarett will eventually return because that's WWE's thing! :( ... they couldn't make me like Jarett with all the fake cheering in the world!

[Darius]

It was a good PPV in my opinion. I enjoyed best Senshi vs. Sabin and LAX vs. Styles & Daniels.:ok:

[Heath Scumm]

Some thoughts regarding this whole Angle vs Joe feud ...

If anybody got punked the phuck out, than that would have definitely been Angle ... Joe owned his ass, the only thing that truly bothers me are those sell-out TNA fans who actually prove that they root for a WWE wrestler when they should be rooting for their undefeated monster!

I'm not saying Angle sucks, the thing that pisses me off is the fact that actually fans turned on Joe ... Why cheer for Angle when you have your own undefeated legitimate bad ass that's been built for almost 2 years ...

Well, that just shows how fake those TNA "smart fans" could be ... I swear, they would cheer like crazy if John Cena would step into the six sided ring ...

The CZW fans or original ECW fans would have never accepted Angle over Joe in this situation ... I would have said "ROH fans" as well but those b*tches dropped the ball once when they actually supported the winy Matt Hardy only cause the b*tch said the ROH name on RAW!

Some "You got fired!" chants (remember how ECW fans treated Rhino on the original One Night Stand? Although I do not agree with those chants, that type of audience is the real smart loyal audience in the world) or some "You can't wrestle!" chants (that would have surely reached their destination) should have been thrown instead of those histerical "Angle!Angle!" chants ... And that "Angle's gonna kill you!" sign is just a disgrace, Joe should have ripped that sign apart, heel or face, you gotta step in and defend your territory!

[oldschool]

I think an advantage TNA has is that they are not divided into brands like WWE. Thus, they get to use their full roster in monthly PPVs.

Most of the WWE PPVs in the last two years or so that used only the roster from a single brand have been pretty bad, with at most 1-2 out of 7-8 matches being tolerable.

[Heath Scumm]

Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter & TNAWrestlingNews.com

Most of the X Division wrestlers are not happy with the way they are being booked by Vince Russo.

There is some backstage heat on Kurt Angle right now. He is rubbing people the wrong why by constantly saying he is the greatest wrestler of all time backstage. He's also rubbed some of the veteran wrestlers the wrong by pitching ideas. Many feel he's just over excited to be a part of the company and wants it to take off.

Scott Steiner won't be back in TNA, for now. Things can always change though.

Any thoughts? :D